HEAD TO HEAD: Lennox Lewis vs Chris Byrd

HEAD TO HEAD: Lennox Lewis vs Chris Byrd

Post by Chic » Thu, 06 Feb 1997 04:00:00


LEWIS' BOXING  VS  BYRD'S DEFENSE:  'Lewis' boxing'??  
Isn't that an oxymoron?  Lewis has average boxing
skills- at best;  Byrd is very slick defensively.  HUGE EDGE:  BYRD

BYRD'S BOXING  VS  LEWIS' DEFENSE:  Lewis isn't
very hard to hit;  Byrd would hit him hard and
often-  OK, maybe not hard.                        HUGE EDGE:  BYRD

LEWIS' POWER  VS  BYRD'S CHIN:  We've never seen
Byrd hurt,  but then again- who has he fought?
Lewis has pretty good power-  I'll give him
the benefit of the doubt:                               EDGE:  LEWIS

BYRD'S POWER  VS  LEWIS' CHIN-  McCall dropped
Lewis quickly and easily in their first fight;
we'll see how Lewis holds up in the rematch.
Then again-  McCall isn't the hardest puncher
around either!  Byrd has more power than people
give him credit for-  but that's not very much!         EDGE:  LEWIS

QUALITY OF OPPOSITION:   Lewis has never fought
a "top" heavyweight,  probably because they are
all afraid of him (yeah, right).  Byrd's
competition has been byrd shit (get it?).               EDGE:  LEWIS

OVERALL:  Lewis is TREMENDOUSLY overrated, but
he's still a pretty good heavyweight with decent
skills.  Byrd is the slickest heavyweight since
Muhammad Ali.  But can he punch?  And-  how
will he take a punch?  

Prediction:  Byrd is too fast and smart for Lewis.     BYRD W12 OVER LEWIS

Chico

 
 
 

HEAD TO HEAD: Lennox Lewis vs Chris Byrd

Post by aasmund ukkelber » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Good post! It's good to see a Lewis critic who offers arguments
rather than abuse, but I have to say that I disagree somewhat
with your analysis.  My view is more in Lewis' favour.

Quote:

> LEWIS' BOXING  VS  BYRD'S DEFENSE:  'Lewis' boxing'??
> Isn't that an oxymoron?  Lewis has average boxing
> skills- at best;  Byrd is very slick defensively.  HUGE EDGE:  BYRD

Byrd is slick defensively, but I'd like to see what
happens when he faces someone who has power, handspeed,
jab, combinations and a huge reach advantage - someone
like Lennox Lewis.  I admit that Lewis' defence is
shaky on the inside, that's where McCall, Bruno and
Mercer were successful against him.  But his long
range defence is very good, and steadily improving
under the guidance of Emanuel Stewart.               EVEN

Quote:
> BYRD'S BOXING  VS  LEWIS' DEFENSE:  Lewis isn't
> very hard to hit;  Byrd would hit him hard and
> often-  OK, maybe not hard.                        HUGE EDGE:  BYRD

I see a Lewis vs. Byrd fight as a fight that will
consist mostly of long range boxing.  Lewis' long
range defence plus his counterpunching ability will
outclass any opponent that Byrd has faced so far.    EVEN

Quote:
> LEWIS' POWER  VS  BYRD'S CHIN:  We've never seen
> Byrd hurt,  but then again- who has he fought?
> Lewis has pretty good power-  I'll give him
> the benefit of the doubt:                               EDGE:  LEWIS

Byrd's chin hasn't been tested too much.  Lewis is
one of the hardest hitters in boxing today.          HUGE EDGE: LEWIS

Quote:
> BYRD'S POWER  VS  LEWIS' CHIN-  McCall dropped
> Lewis quickly and easily in their first fight;
> we'll see how Lewis holds up in the rematch.
> Then again-  McCall isn't the hardest puncher
> around either!  Byrd has more power than people
> give him credit for-  but that's not very much!         EDGE:  LEWIS

McCall is a very hard puncher according to Norwegian
former heavyweight contender Steffen Tangstad, who
used to spar with McCall.  McCall caught Lewis flush
on the chin with a very hard right, a punch that
probably would have dropped nearly everyone.  Lewis
showed in his fight against Mercer that he is tough
and durable and that he has quite a good chin.  Byrd
is a very light hitter.                               HUGE EDGE:
LEWIS    

Quote:
> QUALITY OF OPPOSITION:   Lewis has never fought
> a "top" heavyweight,  probably because they are
> all afraid of him (yeah, right).  Byrd's
> competition has been byrd shit (get it?).               EDGE:  LEWIS

Lewis has fought Mercer and Ruddock, who showed against
Witherspoon, Tyson and Holyfield that they were top
10 or even top 5 contenders.                          HUGE EDGE: LEWIS

Quote:
> OVERALL:  Lewis is TREMENDOUSLY overrated, but
> he's still a pretty good heavyweight with decent
> skills.  Byrd is the slickest heavyweight since
> Muhammad Ali.  But can he punch?  And-  how
> will he take a punch?

Lewis is not overrated IMO, I think he is perhaps
the best heavyweight in the world at the moment.
Byrd will be in for something completely different
from what he has been up against so far.

Quote:
> Prediction:  Byrd is too fast and smart for Lewis.     BYRD W12 OVER LEWIS

Prediction: Lewis' advantages in size, reach and power
will overwhelm Byrd.                                    

LEWIS KO BYRD sometime between round 3 and round 9.

Quote:
> Chico

..mund

 
 
 

HEAD TO HEAD: Lennox Lewis vs Chris Byrd

Post by Krusty1 » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Byrd and Lewis aren't scheduled to fight are they??

 
 
 

HEAD TO HEAD: Lennox Lewis vs Chris Byrd

Post by Flying Sc » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00

+ > LEWIS' BOXING  VS  BYRD'S DEFENSE:  'Lewis' boxing'??
+ > Isn't that an oxymoron?  Lewis has average boxing
+ > skills- at best;  Byrd is very slick defensively.  HUGE EDGE:  BYRD
+
+ Byrd is slick defensively, but I'd like to see what
+ happens when he faces someone who has power, handspeed,
+ jab, combinations and a huge reach advantage - someone
+ like Lennox Lewis.  I admit that Lewis' defence is
+ shaky on the inside, that's where McCall, Bruno and
+ Mercer were successful against him.  But his long
+ range defence is very good, and steadily improving
+ under the guidance of Emanuel Stewart.               EVEN

Lewis has a long reach, and an excellent jab when he uses it.  I think he
can outjab Byrd, who seems to jab from the outside-in (left to right as
opposed to straight ahead) like Roy Jones.

I think if Byrd stays on the outside, he will have trouble scoring effectively.

+ > BYRD'S BOXING  VS  LEWIS' DEFENSE:  Lewis isn't
+ > very hard to hit;  Byrd would hit him hard and
+ > often-  OK, maybe not hard.                        HUGE EDGE:  BYRD

Agree that Lewis is not a great defensive fighter.  He can be hit.  I
would look for Byrd to try to close his eyes or cut him.

+ I see a Lewis vs. Byrd fight as a fight that will
+ consist mostly of long range boxing.  Lewis' long
+ range defence plus his counterpunching ability will
+ outclass any opponent that Byrd has faced so far.    EVEN

Exactly.

+ > LEWIS' POWER  VS  BYRD'S CHIN:  We've never seen
+ > Byrd hurt,  but then again- who has he fought?
+ > Lewis has pretty good power-  I'll give him
+ > the benefit of the doubt:                               EDGE:  LEWIS
+
+ Byrd's chin hasn't been tested too much.  Lewis is
+ one of the hardest hitters in boxing today.          HUGE EDGE: LEWIS

I think Lewis will have a hard time connecting with Byrd to the head.  I
think he will have to concentrate on slowing him down to the body.  Byrd
does not defend his body well, in my opinion.  He seems to turn to the
side and allow his opponent to hit him.  If he does this with a big
puncher like Lewis, I think he could end up with broken ribs.

+ > BYRD'S POWER  VS  LEWIS' CHIN-  McCall dropped
+ > Lewis quickly and easily in their first fight;
+ > we'll see how Lewis holds up in the rematch.
+ > Then again-  McCall isn't the hardest puncher
+ > around either!  Byrd has more power than people
+ > give him credit for-  but that's not very much!         EDGE:  LEWIS
+
+ McCall is a very hard puncher according to Norwegian
+ former heavyweight contender Steffen Tangstad, who
+ used to spar with McCall.  McCall caught Lewis flush
+ on the chin with a very hard right, a punch that
+ probably would have dropped nearly everyone.  Lewis
+ showed in his fight against Mercer that he is tough
+ and durable and that he has quite a good chin.  Byrd
+ is a very light hitter.                               HUGE EDGE:
+ LEWIS    

I believe that speed is power, and I also believe that hitting someone in
the right spot and at the right time is the key.  And Byrd is a big guy...
not huge, but big.  If he gets it together, and especially if he can get
Lewis lunging in with all of his weight working against him, he could
punch to good effect.

+ > QUALITY OF OPPOSITION:   Lewis has never fought
+ > a "top" heavyweight,  probably because they are
+ > all afraid of him (yeah, right).  Byrd's
+ > competition has been byrd shit (get it?).               EDGE:  LEWIS
+
+ Lewis has fought Mercer and Ruddock, who showed against
+ Witherspoon, Tyson and Holyfield that they were top
+ 10 or even top 5 contenders.                          HUGE EDGE: LEWIS

I think Lewis has fought better opposition than the rest of the top
heavies out there.

+ > OVERALL:  Lewis is TREMENDOUSLY overrated, but
+ > he's still a pretty good heavyweight with decent
+ > skills.  Byrd is the slickest heavyweight since
+ > Muhammad Ali.  But can he punch?  And-  how
+ > will he take a punch?
+
+ Lewis is not overrated IMO, I think he is perhaps
+ the best heavyweight in the world at the moment.
+ Byrd will be in for something completely different
+ from what he has been up against so far.

I also think that Lewis is not overrated.  I think Moorer is, I think
Holtfield and Tyson are about right, though Tyson gets paid too much.  I
think Bowe is overrated.  Lewis has always seemed to come in in great
shape, and he always seems to win (except against McCall).

+ > Prediction:  Byrd is too fast and smart for Lewis.     BYRD W12 OVER LEWIS
+  
+ Prediction: Lewis' advantages in size, reach and power
+ will overwhelm Byrd.                                    

Prediction:  This fight will never happen.  Byrd is the kind of fighter
who makes you look bad, and nobody wants to fight guys like that.

+ LEWIS KO BYRD sometime between round 3 and round 9.

Byrd has had trouble with guys who are active.  He likes to pose too
much.  If he can't walk around and get set, he doesn't like it.  That was
my impression of why he lost his fight in the Olympics.  Not active
enough.  

Lewis KO Byrd before 8.

--

The Flying Scot

 
 
 

HEAD TO HEAD: Lennox Lewis vs Chris Byrd

Post by Fabian Web » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>LEWIS' BOXING  VS  BYRD'S DEFENSE:  'Lewis' boxing'??  HUGE EDGE:  BYRD
>BYRD'S BOXING  VS  LEWIS' DEFENSE:  HUGE EDGE:  BYRD
>LEWIS' POWER  VS  BYRD'S CHIN:  EDGE:  LEWIS
>BYRD'S POWER  VS  LEWIS' CHIN-  EDGE: LEWIS
>QUALITY OF OPPOSITION:   EDGE:  LEWIS
>Prediction:  Byrd is too fast and smart for Lewis.     BYRD W12 OVER LEWIS

Do you think your statistic is very logical? You scored three of your
five points for Lewis and conclude that Byrd will win?

Hm...

Fabian Weber

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HEAD TO HEAD: Lennox Lewis vs Chris Byrd

Post by Nelson Patenau » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Byrd and Lewis aren't scheduled to fight are they??

  What do you think?

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HEAD TO HEAD: Lennox Lewis vs Chris Byrd

Post by On edge9 » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Byrd has had trouble with guys who are active.  He likes to pose too
>much.  If he can't walk around and get set, he doesn't like it.  That was
>my impression of why he lost his fight in the Olympics.  Not active
>enough.  
>Lewis KO Byrd before 8.

While the result may be accurate (I don't know, probably never will know),
I have to ask how many of his fights you have actually seen.  He is a
different fighter than in the Olympics...   There have been fights when he
has not been as active as I thought he should be, but the fact remains, he
has been more active than any of his opponents to date.  As for the
statement that "if he can't walk around and get set, he doesn't like it,"
I think you need to watch a recent Byrd fight and know a little more about
him before you would be qualified to make such a statement...  And what do
you know about what he likes or doesn't like?  And when you say he has had
trouble with guys who are active, you must mean as an amateur, because I
have yet to see ANY opponent give him any trouble as a pro (other than
MAYBE Arthur Williams)...   Just my two cents, wanted ot not...   :^)
Later.  

Adam D. Edgeworth

"I am mad but north-northwest.  When the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw"  --  Hamlet

 
 
 

HEAD TO HEAD: Lennox Lewis vs Chris Byrd

Post by Flying Sc » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00



+ >Byrd has had trouble with guys who are active.  He likes to pose too
+ >much.  If he can't walk around and get set, he doesn't like it.  That was
+ >my impression of why he lost his fight in the Olympics.  Not active
+ >enough.  
+
+ >Lewis KO Byrd before 8.
+
+ While the result may be accurate (I don't know, probably never will know),
+ I have to ask how many of his fights you have actually seen.

Do you mean Byrd, or Lewis?

I have, I think, seen all of Lewis' televised fights, and I think I have
seen about half, or perhaps two thirds of Byrd's.

+ He is a different fighter than in the Olympics...

Byrd or Lewis?

Of course this is true.  And true of both of them, IMO.

+ There have been fights when he has not been as active as I thought he
+ should be, but the fact remains, he has been more active than any of his
+ opponents to date.  As for the statement that "if he can't walk around and
+ get set, he doesn't like it," I think you need to watch a recent Byrd
+ fight and know a little more about him before you would be qualified to
+ make such a statement...

I have watched all of his recent fights.  And as far as being "qualified"
to make such a statement, the last time I checked, this was a newsgroup
which is open to the public so any chowderhead like me (or you) could
shoot the breeze about boxing.  That means I am qualified.

+ And what do you know about what he likes or doesn't like?

If your point is that I cannot possibly know what passes through his head
at the fateful moment when he must stare down his opponent in the ring...
then I concede it.

+ And when you say he has had trouble with guys who are active, you must mean
+ as an amateur, because I have yet to see ANY opponent give him any trouble
+ as a pro (other than MAYBE Arthur Williams)...

Well, the point is that he seems most comfortable when he has people on
the end of his jab, and less able to handle them, especially early, when
they rush in on him.  He gets that funny look on his face and does that
thing where he turns his body, inviting a shot to the kidneys.  My feeling
is that this kind of thing is going to get him hurt in the big fights.

+ Just my two cents, wanted ot not...   :^)

Of course they are wanted!  Why else would I have posted here?  You don't
think I would broadcast my opinions in an international newsgroup and then
take offense if someone disagrees, do you?

+ Later.  
+
+ Adam D. Edgeworth

--

The Flying Scot