168lbs Unification

168lbs Unification

Post by HIGHPOIN » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:13:36


For me it'd have to be 168lbs. If you include the WBO, you have four
champions each different from the other, followed by a legion of talented
and evenly matched contenders to make any unification series interesting.
Most fights by my reckoning would be pick 'em fights. All though not as
talent rich as other divisions, definitely one of interest.

As well, current standings in the division would make unification a bit
simpler than in other division (As in, not one of the current champions is a
marquee fighter that wishes to protect his image by remaining undefeated).
So much so, that it appears that Ottke and Mitchell are ready to get things
underway already.

Here are the potential brackets for a four way unifications series. I will
try to order them giving some credit to the vacant WBA title (super titles
in existence and all). In a perfect world we could just say let's match the
best 8 in the division, but titles matter to these guys, so I'm trying to
keep it as realistic as possible. I'll simply collect opinions posted, and
then post results.

Also, I'm working under the assumption that all fighters want to compete,
and are aiming for unification, as are the sanctioning bodies (sheesh). I
won't give results myself, as my bias would probably see Mundine as
Undisputed 168lbs king. The first few bouts listed are either confirmed or
heavily rumoured.

First Bracket

1. Mitchell-Ottke (IBF&WBA, almost set)

2. Echols-Mundine (Vacant WBA title, rumoured for just after Ottke-Mitchell
unification)

3. Lucas-Beyer (WBC title, confirmed)

4. Calzhage-Barr (WBO title)

5. Starie-Haussler (for WBC  #1)

6. Shkalikov-Kessler (for WBA #1)

7. Larsen-Brewer (for IBF #1)

8. Vanderpool-Veit (for WBO #1)

Results?

HIGHPOINT

 
 
 

168lbs Unification

Post by Big Da » Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:12:57

Quote:

> First Bracket

> 1. Mitchell-Ottke (IBF&WBA, almost set)

Otke doesn't have a lot of power but he's undefeated and has some
names on his record. He's beaten the likes of Tate, Brewer, Butler and
Mundine. Otke wins by unanimous decision.

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> 2. Echols-Mundine (Vacant WBA title, rumoured for just after Ottke-Mitchell
> unification)

Grrr. I'll try to be objective here. Mundine is fast and strong etc.
but his lack of experience will be obvious. Echols by unanimous
decision.

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> 3. Lucas-Beyer (WBC title, confirmed)

I don't know what to make of Markus Beyer. Every single one of his
fights has been in Germany and I've not seen one of them. Lucas on the
other hand is a very good, smart fighter. He lacks power but he can
throw great combinations. I'm picking Lucas by pretty wide unanimous
decision or late round TKO caused by cuts or swelling.

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> 4. Calzhage-Barr (WBO title)

Barr is just a journeyman like most of the guys Calzhage fights.
Calzaghe by early round stoppage.

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> 5. Starie-Haussler (for WBC  #1)

Once again, I don't know what to make of these guys. They've only ever
fought in their respective countries and I've never had the
opportunity to watch any of their fights. But since I don't recognize
any of the names on their records, I can't really rate them with the
likes of Echols and Otke who've fought the top-tier super middles.
Starie by unanimous decision.

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> 6. Shkalikov-Kessler (for WBA #1)

Andre Shkalikov, local favorite who's beaten nobody of note. Kessler,
same old song and dance. Wait, Kessler's beaten Dingaan Thobela so
I'll pick him over Kessler. But I'm not putting any money on him.

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> 7. Larsen-Brewer (for IBF #1)

Now this is one I'd be looking forward to. I've never seen Larsen but
Brewer is still useful. I pick Brewer by middle/late round knock out.

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> 8. Vanderpool-Veit (for WBO #1)

The Canadian wins by unanimous decision unless the fight is in
Germany.

Cheers,
BD

 
 
 

168lbs Unification

Post by Ulrich Mayrin » Sun, 02 Feb 2003 07:10:53

Quote:

> > 1. Mitchell-Ottke (IBF&WBA, almost set)

> Otke doesn't have a lot of power but he's undefeated and has some
> names on his record. He's beaten the likes of Tate, Brewer, Butler and
> Mundine. Otke wins by unanimous decision.

Agreed. No-one outboxes Sven Ottke and Mitchell has less power than some
of the guys Ottke has defeated.

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> > 3. Lucas-Beyer (WBC title, confirmed)

> I don't know what to make of Markus Beyer. Every single one of his
> fights has been in Germany and I've not seen one of them.

I have seen many fights of Markus Beyer and also don't know what to make
of him :-)

Beyer is a highly skilled counterpuncher with a wicked liver shot and
surprising power, once he actually decides to do something. Depending on
which version of Beyer shows up and whether Lucas gets reckless: Lucas
by wide UD or Beyer by TKO 8.

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> > 5. Starie-Haussler (for WBC  #1)

> Once again, I don't know what to make of these guys. They've only ever
> fought in their respective countries and I've never had the
> opportunity to watch any of their fights. But since I don't recognize
> any of the names on their records, I can't really rate them with the
> likes of Echols and Otke who've fought the top-tier super middles.
> Starie by unanimous decision.

Say what? H?ussler defeated Shkalikov and Glenn Catley (close decisions,
though). While I'm not sold on Danilo's skills, you have to acknowledge
these names. Danilo comes to fight, there's no question about his heart,
but unfortunately he doesn't have enough power and accuracy to be an
effective pressure fighter.

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> > 6. Shkalikov-Kessler (for WBA #1)

Kessler all the way.

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> > 7. Larsen-Brewer (for IBF #1)

> Now this is one I'd be looking forward to. I've never seen Larsen but
> Brewer is still useful. I pick Brewer by middle/late round knock out.

Larsen all the way.

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> > 8. Vanderpool-Veit (for WBO #1)

> The Canadian wins by unanimous decision unless the fight is in
> Germany.

Even then.

Ulrich

 
 
 

168lbs Unification

Post by Rex1970w » Sun, 02 Feb 2003 20:11:07

Joe Calzaghe and David Starie are far out in front of all the others you
mention. They would both beat all the other champions and challengers.  Both
can box and dig and have speed and also solid chins.
 
 
 

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Post by Ulrich Mayrin » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 07:03:48

Quote:

> Say what? H?ussler defeated Shkalikov and Glenn Catley (close decisions,
> though). While I'm not sold on Danilo's skills, you have to acknowledge
> these names. Danilo comes to fight, there's no question about his heart,
> but unfortunately he doesn't have enough power and accuracy to be an
> effective pressure fighter.

H?ussler just beat Catley in the rematch yesterday. The decision was ok,
but I'm still not sold on Danilo.

Ulrich

 
 
 

168lbs Unification

Post by crafty counterpunch » Wed, 05 Feb 2003 05:55:26

i disagree. i think ottke is by far the best in this division. from
what i've seen he is a very skilled technical boxer who can adapt to
any style. he should easily outbox byron mitchell, who is basically a
one punch at a time slugger.  ottke/calzaghe would be an interesting
fight--i would guess ottke, even at his age, would be too slick for
joe....
Quote:

> Joe Calzaghe and David Starie are far out in front of all the others you
> mention. They would both beat all the other champions and challengers.  Both
> can box and dig and have speed and also solid chins.

 
 
 

168lbs Unification

Post by HIGHPOIN » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 15:18:50


Quote:
> Here are the potential brackets for a four way unifications series. I will
> try to order them giving some credit to the vacant WBA title (super titles
> in existence and all). In a perfect world we could just say let's match
the
> best 8 in the division, but titles matter to these guys, so I'm trying to
> keep it as realistic as possible. I'll simply collect opinions posted, and
> then post results.

I'm a bit dissapointed I didn't get more of a response for this. I would
have thought speculating about the unification of a rather competitive
division would have sparked more interest.

Anyways, here are the results from posts and emails for the first bracket
(I'd appreciate just posts for the second bracket if you could, nothing
personal it's just that this is a business workstation and I'm not the only
person to use it)

1. Ottke UD Mitchell (Retains IBF, wins WBA Super title)

One sided affair, relatively easy win for the German, scores of 119-109,
119-109, 118-110

2. Echols KO10 Mundine (Wins WBA title)

Mundine's speed makes this one interesting, before being clocked by Echols.
Scores at time of stoppage 86-85 once for Mundine, and 86-85 twice for
Echols

3. Lucas UD Beyer (retains WBC title)

Suprisingly close, Lucas knocked down in the second. Lucas winning with
scores of 116-114 twice, and the exaggerated score of 119-109

4. Calzhage KO4 Barr (retains WBO title)

Another tomato can bites the dust. Calzhage coasts to a fourth round KO.

5. Starie TKO11 Haussler (New WBC Mandatory)

First upset of the tournament. Previously undefeated and on his way to a
clear cut decision, Hausler is floored twice by Starie overhand rights,
before becoming defenseless in the corner, forcing the referee to stop the
fight with 0:23 left in the 11th. Scoring at time of stoppage 97-93 twice,
and 98-92 all for Haussler

6. Kessler UD Shkalikov (New WBA Mandatory)

A shutout for Kessler, in a performance that gets the other fighters of the
tournament looking. Scores of 120-108 thrice.

7. Larsen KO7 Brewer (New IBF Mandatory)

One sided bout which seems to signal the end of Brewer as a mainstay
contender. Brewer down in the second and third rounds before being counted
out at 1:35 of the seventh.

8. Vanderpool MD Veit

Snorefest resulting in a close but clear cut decision in Vanderpool's
favour. Scores of 117-113, 116-114 and 115-115

Second round brackets coming tomorrow!!

HIGHPOINT

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168lbs Unification

Post by HIGHPOIN » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 16:45:42


Second round brackets:

1.  Ottke vs. Larsen (IBF & WBA Super Titles)

Ottke is coming off of an impressive points decision over former WBA titlist
Mitchell, and must now be considered the favourite to take out the
tournament. Larsen is coming off of a one sided beat down of the obviously
faded Brewer. Odds are in Ottke's favour, and the bout is being held in
Germany.

2. Echols vs. Kessler (WBA title)

Echols defeated Mundine by KO after a competitive fight to win the WBA title
left vacant by Ottke's ascension to 'super' status. Kessler was very
impressive in a shutout victory over Shkalikov.

3. Lucas vs. Starie (WBC title)

Lucas was lucky to get away with the decision against Beyer, after being
knocked down in the second. Alot of noise coming from the Beyer camp still.
Starie, after losing most of the fight, came out of nowhere to KO the
fancied Haussler, and must now be considered a chance to dethrone Lucas.

4. Calzhage vs. Vanderpool (WBO title)

Calzhage went through the motions again in his defense against Barr, and
this fight shapes to be no different. Vanderpool himself is into the second
round thanks to a rather unimpressive points win over Veit.

Results please?

HIGHPOINT

 
 
 

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Post by crafty counterpunch » Sat, 08 Feb 2003 07:42:18

Quote:

> 1.  Ottke vs. Larsen (IBF & WBA Super Titles)

> Ottke is coming off of an impressive points decision over former WBA titlist
> Mitchell, and must now be considered the favourite to take out the
> tournament. Larsen is coming off of a one sided beat down of the obviously
> faded Brewer. Odds are in Ottke's favour, and the bout is being held in
> Germany.

        larsen makes this bout competitive with a high work rate, but
ottke's counterpunching and accuracy carry the day...ud 116-112,
116-112, 115-113

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> 2. Echols vs. Kessler (WBA title)

> Echols defeated Mundine by KO after a competitive fight to win the WBA title
> left vacant by Ottke's ascension to 'super' status. Kessler was very
> impressive in a shutout victory over Shkalikov.

   kessler outboxes echols for 5 rounds before antwun lands a cracking
straight right...ko 6 echols

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> 3. Lucas vs. Starie (WBC title)

> Lucas was lucky to get away with the decision against Beyer, after being
> knocked down in the second. Alot of noise coming from the Beyer camp still.
> Starie, after losing most of the fight, came out of nowhere to KO the
> fancied Haussler, and must now be considered a chance to dethrone Lucas.

   starie lands some meaningful shots, but lucas' slickness and
experience is too much...ud 118-110, 117-111 twice

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> 4. Calzhage vs. Vanderpool (WBO title)

> Calzhage went through the motions again in his defense against Barr, and
> this fight shapes to be no different. Vanderpool himself is into the second
> round thanks to a rather unimpressive points win over Veit.

   calzhage comes out bombing and floors vanderpool twice in the
first...he survives the round, but calzaghe tags him 20 seconds into
the second...calzhage ko 2

...that's how i see it. intersting post btw, think the super middle's
are underrated.

 Results please?

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> HIGHPOINT

 
 
 

168lbs Unification

Post by HIGHPOIN » Sat, 08 Feb 2003 08:03:11

Quote:
> ...that's how i see it. intersting post btw, think the super middle's
> are underrated.

I don't know about underrated, but interesting and competitive nonetheless.

Thanks for the response.

HIGHPOINT

 
 
 

168lbs Unification

Post by HIGHPOIN » Sun, 09 Feb 2003 12:38:04

Second Round Bracket results.

(I can't believe you guys wouldn't be interested in this tournament)

1.  Ottke UD Larsen (Retains IBF & Super WBA title)

Rather boring contest, Larsen makes the scores a little more interesting
than Ottke's victory over Mitchell, but the result remains the same
nonetheless. Scores of 116-112, 116-112, 115-113

2. Kessler MD Echols (Wins WBA title)

Kessler pulls the upset, outworking and outhustling the now former champ
Echols, including two knockdowns from short left hooks in the eighth round.
Scores of 119-109, 119-108 and the laughable 114-114.

3. Lucas UD Starie (Retains WBC title)

Starie's luck runs out. After a shocking late knock out of the fancied
Haussler, and a less than inspiring performance by Lucas in the defense of
his title, things seem to revert back to a somewhat normal state. All though
not a performance to worry the favourites of the tournament, Lucas shows
some solid defensive skills enroute to an easy decision win. Scores 118-110,
117-111 twice.

4. Calzhage KO9 Vanderpool (Retains WBO title)

Eager to impress, Calzhage comes out firing in an attempt to put Vanderpool
out early. Vanderpool weathers the storm and steals a few of the middle
rounds as Calzhage appears to take some rounds off, before the inevitable
boom drops and Vanderpool is put down for the count in the ninth. Ottke
would seem to be the favourite to take out the tournament on the back of
that performance by Calzhage.

Semi Finals

1. Ottke vs. Kessler (IBF & WBA Super titles)

Ottke again impressive in his victory over Larsen, and he would be glad to
be taking on Kessler as opposed to the experienced Echols. Kessler is on a
confidence high after two decisive victories, including the stern litmus
test that is Antwun Echols. Ottke heavily favored, but Kessler is a very
live dog.

2. Calzhage vs. Lucas (WBC & WBO titles)

Lucas doesn't appear to have the tools to be a significant danger to
Calzhage. On the flip side, Lucas is a far more talented and dangerous
fighter than Calzhage has been feasting on recently, and the change in class
may catch the confident Welshman of guard. Calzhage remains the likely
victor though.

Results??

HIGHPOINT