Assesment of Sugar Ray Leonard by the RSB.

Assesment of Sugar Ray Leonard by the RSB.

Post by The Sanity Cruze » Thu, 29 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

> Hi everyone here in the RSB!! I have been lurking here for sometime.
> There have been assesment about Duran, Arguello, Monzon, Hagler but nothing
> about Leonard. I just want to know what peolple think or feel for him.
> Is he that good as the hype said about him? any opinion or imformation about
> him I'd appreciate greatly.
> Alex

Nat Fleischer rated Benny Leonard as the greatest lightweight of
all-time, for what that's worth.

                        The Sanity Cruzer

 
 
 

Assesment of Sugar Ray Leonard by the RSB.

Post by Alejandro Samq » Thu, 29 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Hi everyone here in the RSB!! I have been lurking here for sometime.
There have been assesment about Duran, Arguello, Monzon, Hagler but nothing
about Leonard. I just want to know what peolple think or feel for him.
Is he that good as the hype said about him? any opinion or imformation about
him I'd appreciate greatly.
Alex

 
 
 

Assesment of Sugar Ray Leonard by the RSB.

Post by The Sanity Cruze » Thu, 29 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> > Hi everyone here in the RSB!! I have been lurking here for sometime.
> > There have been assesment about Duran, Arguello, Monzon, Hagler but nothing
> > about Leonard. I just want to know what peolple think or feel for him.
> > Is he that good as the hype said about him? any opinion or imformation about
> > him I'd appreciate greatly.
> > Alex

> Nat Fleischer rated Benny Leonard as the greatest lightweight of
> all-time, for what that's worth.

>                         The Sanity Cruzer

Oops, I didn't read the 'subject'.  Ray Leonard was a great welterweight.  Once he moved
up in weight, IMO he looked for certain advantages in order to win titles.  With Hagler,
it was a 12 round limit (as opposed to 15) and fighting just part of a round to 'steal'
the decision (and a bad decision it was).  Against Donnie Lalonde, he made the
light heavyweight champ come in at (?) 168 pounds, so Ray could win the newly formed
super middleweight championship at the same time a the LH title.  That along with
weakening the 175 lb. Lalonde.  In Hearns II, he got another gift decision (shades of
Ali, late in his career).  Even when he came back against Kevin Howard, Howard was doing
real well (probably winning the fight), and as soon as Leonard hurt Kevin, they stopped
the fight and gave Leonard the victory.

Sugar Ray turned out NOT to be the 'sweet' man he had been made out to be.  

                          The Sanity Cruzer

 
 
 

Assesment of Sugar Ray Leonard by the RSB.

Post by The Sanity Cruze » Thu, 29 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Sorry, Mr. Sanity, I was refering to Sugar Ray Leonard but thank for the
> information about Benny Leonard. I just wonder if Mr.Fleischer would
> change his mind if he had seen primetime Duran at lightweight :)
> Thank for the input
> Alex

Interestingly enough, Nat Fleischer died the day before Duran won
the lightweigh title from Ken Buchanan; June 25 and 26, 1972,
respectively.

                    The Sanity Cruzer

Quote:

> > Nat Fleischer rated Benny Leonard as the greatest lightweight of
> > all-time, for what that's worth.

> >                         The Sanity Cruzer

 
 
 

Assesment of Sugar Ray Leonard by the RSB.

Post by Alejandro Samq » Thu, 29 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Sorry, Mr. Sanity, I was refering to Sugar Ray Leonard but thank for the
information about Benny Leonard. I just wonder if Mr.Fleischer would
change his mind if he had seen primetime Duran at lightweight :)
Thank for the input
Alex


Quote:

> > Hi everyone here in the RSB!! I have been lurking here for sometime.
> > There have been assesment about Duran, Arguello, Monzon, Hagler but nothing
> > about Leonard. I just want to know what peolple think or feel for him.
> > Is he that good as the hype said about him? any opinion or imformation about
> > him I'd appreciate greatly.
> > Alex
> Nat Fleischer rated Benny Leonard as the greatest lightweight of
> all-time, for what that's worth.
>                         The Sanity Cruzer

 
 
 

Assesment of Sugar Ray Leonard by the RSB.

Post by Jim Skrydla » Thu, 29 Aug 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hi everyone here in the RSB!! I have been lurking here for sometime.
> There have been assesment about Duran, Arguello, Monzon, Hagler but nothing
> about Leonard. I just want to know what peolple think or feel for him.
> Is he that good as the hype said about him? any opinion or imformation about
> him I'd appreciate greatly.
> Alex

Well, just my opinion, of course.  There was, of course, an awful lot of media
hype and self-promotion regarding Leonard.  To the extent that I can cut through
it, however (and I really don't like the guy), I think that he was a genuinely
great boxer.  He could do it all.  He fought the best, and beat them all.  Yes,
Duran did beat him once (and, in my opinion, Duran as a welterweight wasn't nearly
as great as he was as a lightweight), and the win over Hagler was, uh, questionable.
But he was one of the greatest fighters whom I have ever seen, in a class with Ali,
Duran, or anybody else.
 
 
 

Assesment of Sugar Ray Leonard by the RSB.

Post by wjzol » Fri, 30 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>> Is he that good as the hype said about him? any opinion or imformation about
>> him I'd appreciate greatly.
>> Alex

> Nat Fleischer rated Benny Leonard as the greatest lightweight of
> all-time, for what that's worth.

                          The Sanity Cruzer

Ya, and Pete Rivera (Rare Earth) was the greatest lead singer who was also
a drummer.

....To answer Alex's question, IMO, SRL was certainly a great fighter.
Excellent skills, *great* foot & hand speed, very good reflexes, the
*best* corner, fought great competition at welter and middle wts in an
era where those weight divisions had 4-5 of, probably the top 25 fighters
of *all* time. (again, imo, Monzon, Benitez, Duran, Curry, Antufermo (sp?))
 He might make the top 10 all time for some folks, but I never could get
totally past the glitz, and his frequent showboating detracted some to me.
Always fun to watch though, good power, great chin. Personally, would prob
make my top 25 all time.

Hope this is what Alex is looking for.

        Jake

 
 
 

Assesment of Sugar Ray Leonard by the RSB.

Post by TIM BLA » Fri, 30 Aug 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>> Nat Fleischer rated Benny Leonard as the greatest lightweight of
>> all-time, for what that's worth.
>                          The Sanity Cruzer
>Ya, and Pete Rivera (Rare Earth) was the greatest lead singer who was also
>a drummer.

Better than Don Henley?  How about Ringo? <g>
--

 
 
 

Assesment of Sugar Ray Leonard by the RSB.

Post by Ernest Brow » Sun, 01 Sep 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Nat Fleischer rated Benny Leonard as the greatest lightweight of
> all-time, for what that's worth.

>                         The Sanity Cruzer

Sarcasm aside, I'd have to give that honor to Duran. If Benny had tried to
psych out R.D. like he did Richie Mitchell, Duran would have fed him to
the canvas. Of course, Fleischer died before Duran's reign even really got
started.

Ernie