Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance

Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance

Post by J Du » Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:00:00


Tonight on the WPBA 9 Ball finals (taped at Valley Forge), Robin Dodson was
commenting on Karen's & Alison's almost straight on stance.  Robin said that
while most people don't get it (I missed up to this part of her comment),
"that once Karen taught her a key part of the stance, that it has improved
Robin's game by 30%".  This was said around the 5-1 or 6-1 point in the
match.

Now, first off I'd like to believe that if anybody got that kind of
improvement that either they'd be singing it from the rooftops or selling
it.  Robin was doing neither.  But more importantly in my mind is "What
'thing' could Karen have showed her that would make that kind of
difference?"  Any ideas, anybody?  Did anybody else catch this statement and
can correctly repeat what was said and what she meant?

--Jim

 
 
 

Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance

Post by Jete » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>Tonight on the WPBA 9 Ball finals (taped at Valley Forge), Robin Dodson was
>commenting on Karen's & Alison's almost straight on stance.  Robin said that
>while most people don't get it (I missed up to this part of her comment),
>"that once Karen taught her a key part of the stance, that it has improved
>Robin's game by 30%".  This was said around the 5-1 or 6-1 point in the
>match.

>Now, first off I'd like to believe that if anybody got that kind of
>improvement that either they'd be singing it from the rooftops or selling
>it.  Robin was doing neither.  But more importantly in my mind is "What
>'thing' could Karen have showed her that would make that kind of
>difference?"  Any ideas, anybody?  Did anybody else catch this statement and
>can correctly repeat what was said and what she meant?

>--Jim

Jim,
I heard the comment but I don't think there was enough detail last night to
make anything out of it.  On other broadcasts I have picked up that she always
walks "straight into the shot" rather than comes up on it from the side as many
do.  By that I think she is saying to step back from the table and pick the
line of the cue ball, then follow it straight in and settle into the stance.

Good luck,

Pete

 
 
 

Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance

Post by Ninebal3 » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>On other broadcasts I have picked up that she always
>walks "straight into the shot" rather than comes up on it from the side as
>many
>do.  By that I think she is saying to step back from the table and pick the
>line of the cue ball, then follow it straight in and settle into the stance.

>Good luck,

>Pete

I am not an instructor, but from what I have seen, the first thing I would
teach most people (women mostly) is their stance.
Hustlin' Hank

 
 
 

Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance

Post by jimb.. » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00



Quote:

> >Tonight on the WPBA 9 Ball finals (taped at Valley Forge), Robin
Dodson was
> >commenting on Karen's & Alison's almost straight on stance.  Robin
said that
> >while most people don't get it (I missed up to this part of her
comment),
> >"that once Karen taught her a key part of the stance, that it has
improved
> >Robin's game by 30%".  This was said around the 5-1 or 6-1 point in
the
> >match.

> >Now, first off I'd like to believe that if anybody got that kind of
> >improvement that either they'd be singing it from the rooftops or
selling
> >it.  Robin was doing neither.  But more importantly in my mind is
"What
> >'thing' could Karen have showed her that would make that kind of
> >difference?"  Any ideas, anybody?  Did anybody else catch this
statement and
> >can correctly repeat what was said and what she meant?

> >--Jim

> Jim,
> I heard the comment but I don't think there was enough detail last
night to
> make anything out of it.  On other broadcasts I have picked up that
she always
> walks "straight into the shot" rather than comes up on it from the
side as many
> do.  By that I think she is saying to step back from the table and
pick the
> line of the cue ball, then follow it straight in and settle into the
stance.

> ====================

There's a snooker player here in St. Louis that steps back from the
table about 3 or 4 steps.  He then walks straight toward the shot, bends
down, strokes, and fires.  He does this on every shot.  He is quite
remarkable on his shoots. I tried it, and can see some merit in it, but
I don't think it's for me.

--JIM BUSS--

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Post by Bob Johnso » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Dawn Hopkins made the same kind of comment last year.  If memory serves me,
Karen had worked with her on squaring her stance.  While she didn't quantify
it, Dawn expressed her amazement at the improvement it made in her game.

--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.
Home of the 1997/1998 World Champion Broncos!


Quote:
> Tonight on the WPBA 9 Ball finals (taped at Valley Forge), Robin Dodson
was
> commenting on Karen's & Alison's almost straight on stance.  Robin said
that
> while most people don't get it (I missed up to this part of her comment),
> "that once Karen taught her a key part of the stance, that it has improved
> Robin's game by 30%".  This was said around the 5-1 or 6-1 point in the
> match.

> Now, first off I'd like to believe that if anybody got that kind of
> improvement that either they'd be singing it from the rooftops or selling
> it.  Robin was doing neither.  But more importantly in my mind is "What
> 'thing' could Karen have showed her that would make that kind of
> difference?"  Any ideas, anybody?  Did anybody else catch this statement
and
> can correctly repeat what was said and what she meant?

> --Jim

 
 
 

Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance

Post by Steve Gustafso » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Jim,

'Jetep' is right-not any explanation at all.

Transcript-

Mitch-  "Karen Corr at the table and another look at that stance,
        so solidly on the ground with the rest of her game following now."

Robin Dodson-   "Karen not too long ago, she showed me something on
the stance they use and I've been using it and it has definitely improved my
game at least 30%. It's amazing what that stance will do for you."

Mitch-   "Like any sport, you talk about a good foundation and she...of
course I'm sure that she helped you...that's  the thing that amazes me
'cause I watch all the women on tour,incredibly competitive out here.
There's alot of commraderie and alot of spirit of helping back and forth and
I love  that."

That's it-no info -just talk!!

I studied Carr's stance for the short moment it was on the tape and it looks
like the 'both legs straight' stance as described  in the Fundamental
chapter in Phil Capelle's book(bible) 'Play Your Best Pool'. But that
doesn't explain what that "something" Karen showed Robin was about the
stance.

I'm going to switch to that stance and see how it feels.

Good luck,Jim.

Steve

Quote:

> Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com
> Newsgroups: rec.sport.billiard
> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:16:40 -0400
> Subject: Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance

> Tonight on the WPBA 9 Ball finals (taped at Valley Forge), Robin Dodson was
> commenting on Karen's & Alison's almost straight on stance.  Robin said that
> while most people don't get it (I missed up to this part of her comment),
> "that once Karen taught her a key part of the stance, that it has improved
> Robin's game by 30%".  This was said around the 5-1 or 6-1 point in the
> match.

> Now, first off I'd like to believe that if anybody got that kind of
> improvement that either they'd be singing it from the rooftops or selling
> it.  Robin was doing neither.  But more importantly in my mind is "What
> 'thing' could Karen have showed her that would make that kind of
> difference?"  Any ideas, anybody?  Did anybody else catch this statement and
> can correctly repeat what was said and what she meant?

> --Jim

 
 
 

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Post by Otto » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

I was taught the Fisher/Corr stance during pool school. It took a while to
get used to and my hamstrings were sore for a while but it is now second
nature. Straight legs are part of it but the biggie is to be open. Square to
the shot. Or at least as square as you can be and still be comfortable.
Believe me, if you are used to a traditional stance and you open up and
straighten your legs and get down on the ball so your cue is riding against
you chest, you will be sore at first. It goes away. Once you get used to it
and get comfortable you won't go back because everything else seems
unstable.

Does it help my game? I'm too new to know. I do know that my fundamentals
are more solid now than they were before lessons.

Otto


Quote:
> Jim,

> 'Jetep' is right-not any explanation at all.

> Transcript-

> Mitch-  "Karen Corr at the table and another look at that stance,
>         so solidly on the ground with the rest of her game following now."

> Robin Dodson-   "Karen not too long ago, she showed me something on
> the stance they use and I've been using it and it has definitely improved
my
> game at least 30%. It's amazing what that stance will do for you."

> Mitch-   "Like any sport, you talk about a good foundation and she...of
> course I'm sure that she helped you...that's  the thing that amazes me
> 'cause I watch all the women on tour,incredibly competitive out here.
> There's alot of commraderie and alot of spirit of helping back and forth
and
> I love  that."

> That's it-no info -just talk!!

> I studied Carr's stance for the short moment it was on the tape and it
looks
> like the 'both legs straight' stance as described  in the Fundamental
> chapter in Phil Capelle's book(bible) 'Play Your Best Pool'. But that
> doesn't explain what that "something" Karen showed Robin was about the
> stance.

> I'm going to switch to that stance and see how it feels.

> Good luck,Jim.

> Steve


> > Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com
> > Newsgroups: rec.sport.billiard
> > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:16:40 -0400
> > Subject: Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance

> > Tonight on the WPBA 9 Ball finals (taped at Valley Forge), Robin Dodson
was
> > commenting on Karen's & Alison's almost straight on stance.  Robin said
that
> > while most people don't get it (I missed up to this part of her
comment),
> > "that once Karen taught her a key part of the stance, that it has
improved
> > Robin's game by 30%".  This was said around the 5-1 or 6-1 point in the
> > match.

> > Now, first off I'd like to believe that if anybody got that kind of
> > improvement that either they'd be singing it from the rooftops or
selling
> > it.  Robin was doing neither.  But more importantly in my mind is "What
> > 'thing' could Karen have showed her that would make that kind of
> > difference?"  Any ideas, anybody?  Did anybody else catch this statement
and
> > can correctly repeat what was said and what she meant?

> > --Jim

 
 
 

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Post by Trevor Justine » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

What about someone built like the Michelin man?  If I tried what you
described I couldn't get the cue around my fabulous beer gut.

Trevor - me, beer, pool a perfect 3some.

Quote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


regarding Re: Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance:

Quote:
> I was taught the Fisher/Corr stance during pool school. It took a while
to
> get used to and my hamstrings were sore for a while but it is now second
> nature. Straight legs are part of it but the biggie is to be open. Square
to
> the shot. Or at least as square as you can be and still be comfortable.
> Believe me, if you are used to a traditional stance and you open up and
> straighten your legs and get down on the ball so your cue is riding
against
> you chest, you will be sore at first. It goes away. Once you get used to
it
> and get comfortable you won't go back because everything else seems
> unstable.
> Does it help my game? I'm too new to know. I do know that my fundamentals
> are more solid now than they were before lessons.
> Otto


> > Jim,

> > 'Jetep' is right-not any explanation at all.

> > Transcript-

> > Mitch-  "Karen Corr at the table and another look at that stance,
> >         so solidly on the ground with the rest of her game following
now."

> > Robin Dodson-   "Karen not too long ago, she showed me something on
> > the stance they use and I've been using it and it has definitely improved
> my
> > game at least 30%. It's amazing what that stance will do for you."

> > Mitch-   "Like any sport, you talk about a good foundation and she...of
> > course I'm sure that she helped you...that's  the thing that amazes me
> > 'cause I watch all the women on tour,incredibly competitive out here.
> > There's alot of commraderie and alot of spirit of helping back and forth
> and
> > I love  that."

> > That's it-no info -just talk!!

> > I studied Carr's stance for the short moment it was on the tape and it
> looks
> > like the 'both legs straight' stance as described  in the Fundamental
> > chapter in Phil Capelle's book(bible) 'Play Your Best Pool'. But that
> > doesn't explain what that "something" Karen showed Robin was about the
> > stance.

> > I'm going to switch to that stance and see how it feels.

> > Good luck,Jim.

> > Steve


> > > Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com
> > > Newsgroups: rec.sport.billiard
> > > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:16:40 -0400
> > > Subject: Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance

> > > Tonight on the WPBA 9 Ball finals (taped at Valley Forge), Robin Dodson
> was
> > > commenting on Karen's & Alison's almost straight on stance.  Robin said
> that
> > > while most people don't get it (I missed up to this part of her
> comment),
> > > "that once Karen taught her a key part of the stance, that it has
> improved
> > > Robin's game by 30%".  This was said around the 5-1 or 6-1 point in the
> > > match.

> > > Now, first off I'd like to believe that if anybody got that kind of
> > > improvement that either they'd be singing it from the rooftops or
> selling
> > > it.  Robin was doing neither.  But more importantly in my mind is "What
> > > 'thing' could Karen have showed her that would make that kind of
> > > difference?"  Any ideas, anybody?  Did anybody else catch this statement
> and
> > > can correctly repeat what was said and what she meant?

> > > --Jim

 
 
 

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Post by Ron Shepa » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>I studied Carr's stance for the short moment it was on the tape and it looks
>like the 'both legs straight' stance as described  in the Fundamental
>chapter in Phil Capelle's book(bible) 'Play Your Best Pool'.

This is the third or fourth time that someone has said lately that the snooker
stance used by Corr and Fisher involves keeping their legs straight.  When I
watch them play, I don't see straight legs.  What I see is a fairly square
stance, with the rear leg (or what would be the rear leg) bent and the knee
turned inward.  Line Kjoersvik is another example, although she sometimes bends
BOTH knees, not just the rear one.

The "normal" pool stance is less square, meaning that the front foot is farther
ahead of the rear foot, the back leg is straight (although the knee joint may
not be locked tight, mine isn't), and the front leg is either straight or bent
(usually depending on how tall is the player).

When I experiment with a square stance, I find that my rear hand brushes
against my hip, causing problems with a straight stroke.  I think that is why
the snooker players bend in their knee, to try to get the hip out of the way of
their grip hand.  Maybe my legs are too long or something, but I can't get my
hip out of the way comfortably by just bending in my rear knee.  It is easier
for me just to rotate my hips around a couple of inches, away from the stick,
move my front foot forward a little, and adopt a "normal" pool stance.  Of
course, it could be an "old dog, new trick" issue with me.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

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Post by Otto » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Ron,

I had the hip problem at first but have eliminated that by being ever so
slightly closed. Much more open than the traditional stance but I had to
make a slight adjustment.

Again, the stance thing is very personal. Every one has a different body
design and we all have to find what is comfortable. The big question here is
can we make our current 'traditional' stance more stable by opening up.
Everyone has to try it to find out. Occasionally I have to revert to a
traditional stance due to a jack up for obstructing balls and I feel
unstable as all get out. For me at this point in my development the
traditional stance feels very wobbly.

For the old dogs it may not be worth it.

Otto-- I was taught it with a relatively clean slate(Brazilian that
is--sorry, that is another thread)


Quote:
> When I experiment with a square stance, I find that my rear hand brushes
> against my hip, causing problems with a straight stroke.  I think that is
why
> the snooker players bend in their knee, to try to get the hip out of the
way of
> their grip hand.  Maybe my legs are too long or something, but I can't get
my
> hip out of the way comfortably by just bending in my rear knee.  It is
easier
> for me just to rotate my hips around a couple of inches, away from the
stick,
> move my front foot forward a little, and adopt a "normal" pool stance.  Of
> course, it could be an "old dog, new trick" issue with me.

> $.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

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Post by lfiguero » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

IMO, you can make almost any combination of body mechanics work to one
degree or another.  After all, there have been and are players that can run
more balls jacked up one handed than many amateur players playing with both
paws.  In the case of most players, who never receive any formal training,
they just find what feels natural and work with that for the rest of their
pool playing careers.  The more adventuresome players, particularly those
into cycling through alternating bouts of ***, depression and
occasional ecstasy, experiment with a variety of techniques, stances, and
other assorted adjustments, searching for that perfect combination.

I think a snooker stance can be a good thing for many players.  It will at
least get some thinking about how they're aligning themselves for their
shots instead of just haphazardly plopping themselves down behind the cue
ball.

Lou Figueroa


Quote:
> I was taught the Fisher/Corr stance during pool school. It took a while to
> get used to and my hamstrings were sore for a while but it is now second
> nature. Straight legs are part of it but the biggie is to be open. Square
to
> the shot. Or at least as square as you can be and still be comfortable.
> Believe me, if you are used to a traditional stance and you open up and
> straighten your legs and get down on the ball so your cue is riding
against
> you chest, you will be sore at first. It goes away. Once you get used to
it
> and get comfortable you won't go back because everything else seems
> unstable.

> Does it help my game? I'm too new to know. I do know that my fundamentals
> are more solid now than they were before lessons.

> Otto



> > Jim,

> > 'Jetep' is right-not any explanation at all.

> > Transcript-

> > Mitch-  "Karen Corr at the table and another look at that stance,
> >         so solidly on the ground with the rest of her game following
now."

> > Robin Dodson-   "Karen not too long ago, she showed me something on
> > the stance they use and I've been using it and it has definitely
improved
> my
> > game at least 30%. It's amazing what that stance will do for you."

> > Mitch-   "Like any sport, you talk about a good foundation and she...of
> > course I'm sure that she helped you...that's  the thing that amazes me
> > 'cause I watch all the women on tour,incredibly competitive out here.
> > There's alot of commraderie and alot of spirit of helping back and forth
> and
> > I love  that."

> > That's it-no info -just talk!!

> > I studied Carr's stance for the short moment it was on the tape and it
> looks
> > like the 'both legs straight' stance as described  in the Fundamental
> > chapter in Phil Capelle's book(bible) 'Play Your Best Pool'. But that
> > doesn't explain what that "something" Karen showed Robin was about the
> > stance.

> > I'm going to switch to that stance and see how it feels.

> > Good luck,Jim.

> > Steve


> > > Organization: http://SportToday.org/
> > > Newsgroups: rec.sport.billiard
> > > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:16:40 -0400
> > > Subject: Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance

> > > Tonight on the WPBA 9 Ball finals (taped at Valley Forge), Robin
Dodson
> was
> > > commenting on Karen's & Alison's almost straight on stance.  Robin
said
> that
> > > while most people don't get it (I missed up to this part of her
> comment),
> > > "that once Karen taught her a key part of the stance, that it has
> improved
> > > Robin's game by 30%".  This was said around the 5-1 or 6-1 point in
the
> > > match.

> > > Now, first off I'd like to believe that if anybody got that kind of
> > > improvement that either they'd be singing it from the rooftops or
> selling
> > > it.  Robin was doing neither.  But more importantly in my mind is
"What
> > > 'thing' could Karen have showed her that would make that kind of
> > > difference?"  Any ideas, anybody?  Did anybody else catch this
statement
> and
> > > can correctly repeat what was said and what she meant?

> > > --Jim

 
 
 

Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance

Post by Gary Lloy » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

I believe Bob is correct. I had caught this thread before watching the
match, as I had taped it. So I was paying close attention for the remarks
about Karen's stance. They were indeed made by Dawn Hopkin's when she had
joined Mitch and Robin in the booth for a few minutes. Not truly important
but...
 
 
 

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Post by Jim and Cind » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

I saw Corr demostrat the stance on another match. She lines up the right
foot on the shot line and then steps the left leg to the left and then bends
over for the shot.

Best regards
Jim

Quote:

>Ron,

>I had the hip problem at first but have eliminated that by being ever so
>slightly closed. Much more open than the traditional stance but I had to
>make a slight adjustment.

>Again, the stance thing is very personal. Every one has a different body
>design and we all have to find what is comfortable. The big question here
is
>can we make our current 'traditional' stance more stable by opening up.
>Everyone has to try it to find out. Occasionally I have to revert to a
>traditional stance due to a jack up for obstructing balls and I feel
>unstable as all get out. For me at this point in my development the
>traditional stance feels very wobbly.

>For the old dogs it may not be worth it.

>Otto-- I was taught it with a relatively clean slate(Brazilian that
>is--sorry, that is another thread)



>> When I experiment with a square stance, I find that my rear hand brushes
>> against my hip, causing problems with a straight stroke.  I think that is
>why
>> the snooker players bend in their knee, to try to get the hip out of the
>way of
>> their grip hand.  Maybe my legs are too long or something, but I can't
get
>my
>> hip out of the way comfortably by just bending in my rear knee.  It is
>easier
>> for me just to rotate my hips around a couple of inches, away from the
>stick,
>> move my front foot forward a little, and adopt a "normal" pool stance.
Of
>> course, it could be an "old dog, new trick" issue with me.

>> $.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

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Post by WCri » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

There is no question in my mind that "I" can see the balls better when I face
the shot like they do.   There may be negative offsets just like in many other
areas of mechanics. I am not sure.
 
 
 

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Post by Steve Gustafso » Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:00:00

Dick-

I was thinking the same thing(I guess we are both swine!!)but Karen Carr  is
large chested and Trevor Justinen mentions the Michelin Man body type. I
tried the stance(not sure if I was doing it right) and found it very
unnatural . I also notinced on the broadcast that Carr's was cue was rubbing
on her chin. That's lower then I get.

Steve

Quote:

> Organization: AOL http://SportToday.org/
> Newsgroups: rec.sport.billiard
> Date: 18 Oct 2000 00:57:59 GMT
> Subject: Re: Robin Dodson's comment on Karen Corr's stance

>> This is the third or fourth time that someone has said lately that the
>> snooker
>> stance used by Corr and Fisher involves keeping their legs straight.  When I
>> watch them play, I don't see straight legs.  What I see is a fairly square
>> stance, with the rear leg (or what would be the rear leg) bent and the knee
>> turned inward.  Line Kjoersvik is another example, although she sometimes
>> bends
>> BOTH knees, not just the rear one.

> Since all of these players are women, perhaps this squared up stance has more
> to do with ***s and not a snooker background.

>*** (the chauvinist pig) Schneiders