Need advice....buying GOLD CROWN III Used table!

Need advice....buying GOLD CROWN III Used table!

Post by John Bojac » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:01:09


Hello,

I've got a chance to buy a table from a guy I don't know....he says its a
mahogony 9ft Brunswick Gold Crown III.   Problem is, it's packed up in boxes
where it's been stored.

What should I look for?

Thanks,  in advance.

I've got to know   by tomorrow morning.  If you've got the time,  please
email me some advice.

John


 
 
 

Need advice....buying GOLD CROWN III Used table!

Post by Joe » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:11:45

Quote:
>Hello,

>I've got a chance to buy a table from a guy I don't know....he says its a
>mahogony 9ft Brunswick Gold Crown III.   Problem is, it's packed up in boxes
>where it's been stored.

>What should I look for?

>Thanks,  in advance.

>I've got to know   by tomorrow morning.  If you've got the time,  please
>email me some advice.

>John



Make sure it has the Brunswick nameplate. There are alot of AMF clones out
there... :)
I don't know if you can tell it by looking, but make sure it has the Italian
slate and not the brazilian slate.

Joe (---Brazilian women are beautiful but their slate is ugly... :)
Visit www.classiccues.com for a vast selection of collectible cues. Featuring
cues by Skip Weston.... "No special joints, no special shafts, just a special
cue", cues by Paul Mottey and many fine collectables.

 
 
 

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Post by Ole » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:16:53

Quote:
> I don't know if you can tell it by looking, but make sure it has the
Italian
> slate and not the brazilian slate.

How do you tell the difference?  Once it has been ground isn't slate slate?

Quote:
> Joe (---Brazilian women are beautiful ... :)

No arguments there!

 
 
 

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Post by cyot » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:23:43

Quote:
> I don't know if you can tell it by looking, but make sure it has the
Italian
> slate and not the brazilian slate.

Whats wrong with the Brazillian slate?

cyote


Quote:
> >Hello,

> >I've got a chance to buy a table from a guy I don't know....he says its a
> >mahogony 9ft Brunswick Gold Crown III.   Problem is, it's packed up in
boxes
> >where it's been stored.

> >What should I look for?

> >Thanks,  in advance.

> >I've got to know   by tomorrow morning.  If you've got the time,  please
> >email me some advice.

> >John


> Make sure it has the Brunswick nameplate. There are alot of AMF clones out
> there... :)
> I don't know if you can tell it by looking, but make sure it has the
Italian
> slate and not the brazilian slate.

> Joe (---Brazilian women are beautiful but their slate is ugly... :)
> Visit www.classiccues.com for a vast selection of collectible cues.
Featuring
> cues by Skip Weston.... "No special joints, no special shafts, just a
special
> cue", cues by Paul Mottey and many fine collectables.

 
 
 

Need advice....buying GOLD CROWN III Used table!

Post by Otto » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:42:08


Quote:
> Whats wrong with the Brazillian slate?

Nothing.

At least no one has been able to show me anything wrong with it.

My Gold Crown III was purchased new from an authorized Brunswick dealer and
the Italian slate was warped or poorly ground.

After several service calls, Brunswick replaced the Italian slate with
Brazilian slate and it plays great.

Ya gotta love those lifetime warranties on the slate.

Otto

 
 
 

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Post by Henry Streato » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:59:12


Quote:
> > I don't know if you can tell it by looking, but make sure it has the
> Italian
> > slate and not the brazilian slate.

> How do you tell the difference?  Once it has been ground isn't slate
slate?

It is very easy to tell the difference; by the accent.
lol
The Italian slate is darker in color, and softer(more easily scratched.
max
Quote:
> > Joe (---Brazilian women are beautiful ... :)

> No arguments there!

 
 
 

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Post by Joe » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:08:38

Quote:

>Nothing.

>At least no one has been able to show me anything wrong with it.

>My Gold Crown III was purchased new from an authorized Brunswick dealer and
>the Italian slate was warped or poorly ground.

>After several service calls, Brunswick replaced the Italian slate with
>Brazilian slate and it plays great.

>Ya gotta love those lifetime warranties on the slate.

>Otto

The situation I am familiar with is totally the opposite. It also happened to a
room with 15 tables. I think alot had to do with the fact the distributor swore
up and down the guy was getting Italian, and he got Brazilian. Also these
tables rolled very poorly. I will say Brunswick made good and switched them,
but it was after they were in storage and the room shut down.

Joe
Visit www.classiccues.com for a vast selection of collectible cues. Featuring
cues by Skip Weston.... "No special joints, no special shafts, just a special
cue", cues by Paul Mottey and many fine collectables.

 
 
 

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Post by Otto » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:42:46

My intuition is that where the slate comes from does not really matter. Each
source probably has it's pros and cons.

The Italian slate lobby is better established and better financed. This
drives greater marketing, more dollars spent advertising, and better name
recognition.

Given two slabs of rock, I think the real key is the general quality control
during the selection process and the follow-on grinding/honing process.

Apparently Brunswick had some flaws in it's quality control in these areas
during the early to mid 90's and it cost them in many cases. It is my
understanding that all of their slate now goes through similar facilities
when it comes to the selection/grinding/honing process.

While the slate may come from a different source, the manufacturing of that
slate is done through standardized facilities.

Just my guess.

My experience is only with one table. The Italian slate sucked and the
Brazilian slate plays perfect(aside from general operator/player
incompetence).

Otto----hanging on to his lifetime warranty


Quote:
> The situation I am familiar with is totally the opposite. It also happened
to a
> room with 15 tables. I think alot had to do with the fact the distributor
swore
> up and down the guy was getting Italian, and he got Brazilian. Also these
> tables rolled very poorly. I will say Brunswick made good and switched
them,
> but it was after they were in storage and the room shut down.

 
 
 

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Post by Mark » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:56:32

At the very least, look for the plaque on the head rail that says Gold Crown
and look the slate over to make sure it's not broken/cracked/patched.

Mark0


Quote:
> Hello,

> I've got a chance to buy a table from a guy I don't know....he says its a
> mahogony 9ft Brunswick Gold Crown III.   Problem is, it's packed up in
boxes
> where it's been stored.

> What should I look for?

> Thanks,  in advance.

> I've got to know   by tomorrow morning.  If you've got the time,  please
> email me some advice.

> John



 
 
 

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Post by cyot » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:30:37

Yes, if you look at the info available on the brunswick site it states that
the brazillian slate is on average stronger than the italian, but that
because of this it's more difficult and therefore more expensive to produce.
But they do state that location is not the over-riding factor here. I doubt
they'd use it if it was inferior, everyone else is sticking to italian at
the mo. i think so there can't be any sort of short fall.

cyote


Quote:
> My intuition is that where the slate comes from does not really matter.
Each
> source probably has it's pros and cons.

> The Italian slate lobby is better established and better financed. This
> drives greater marketing, more dollars spent advertising, and better name
> recognition.

> Given two slabs of rock, I think the real key is the general quality
control
> during the selection process and the follow-on grinding/honing process.

> Apparently Brunswick had some flaws in it's quality control in these areas
> during the early to mid 90's and it cost them in many cases. It is my
> understanding that all of their slate now goes through similar facilities
> when it comes to the selection/grinding/honing process.

> While the slate may come from a different source, the manufacturing of
that
> slate is done through standardized facilities.

> Just my guess.

> My experience is only with one table. The Italian slate sucked and the
> Brazilian slate plays perfect(aside from general operator/player
> incompetence).

> Otto----hanging on to his lifetime warranty



> > The situation I am familiar with is totally the opposite. It also
happened
> to a
> > room with 15 tables. I think alot had to do with the fact the
distributor
> swore
> > up and down the guy was getting Italian, and he got Brazilian. Also
these
> > tables rolled very poorly. I will say Brunswick made good and switched
> them,
> > but it was after they were in storage and the room shut down.

 
 
 

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Post by Ron Shepa » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:09:13

Quote:
> I've got a chance to buy a table from a guy I don't know....he says its a
> mahogony 9ft Brunswick Gold Crown III.   Problem is, it's packed up in boxes
> where it's been stored.

> What should I look for?

The biggest problem might be detecting serious damage (e.g. cracked slate,
split rail, damaged frame, etc.) or missing parts.  If the table is
assembled, then you can look for these things yourself, but if it is taken
apart, then it is harder.  Maybe you can find someone in the area who
recovers or assembles tables, and who is familiar with Brunswick tables,
and pay him to look at it.  Maybe you can make it part of a deal for him
to set up the table if you decide to buy it?

$.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

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Post by Greg Matthew » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:04:39

Brunswick now prefers the Brazilian slate over any other slate. All the
tables that are used on the WPBA tour now have Brazilian slate. I bought a
Gold Crown from the recent WPBA event in Michigan and the slate is perfect.

The table is the best playing table I've ever played on.

--
Greg W. Matthews
The Cue Collector
www.CueCollector.com  - Buying and Selling Custom Cues Since 1992


Quote:
> Yes, if you look at the info available on the brunswick site it states
that
> the brazillian slate is on average stronger than the italian, but that
> because of this it's more difficult and therefore more expensive to
produce.
> But they do state that location is not the over-riding factor here. I
doubt
> they'd use it if it was inferior, everyone else is sticking to italian at
> the mo. i think so there can't be any sort of short fall.

> cyote



> > My intuition is that where the slate comes from does not really matter.
> Each
> > source probably has it's pros and cons.

> > The Italian slate lobby is better established and better financed. This
> > drives greater marketing, more dollars spent advertising, and better
name
> > recognition.

> > Given two slabs of rock, I think the real key is the general quality
> control
> > during the selection process and the follow-on grinding/honing process.

> > Apparently Brunswick had some flaws in it's quality control in these
areas
> > during the early to mid 90's and it cost them in many cases. It is my
> > understanding that all of their slate now goes through similar
facilities
> > when it comes to the selection/grinding/honing process.

> > While the slate may come from a different source, the manufacturing of
> that
> > slate is done through standardized facilities.

> > Just my guess.

> > My experience is only with one table. The Italian slate sucked and the
> > Brazilian slate plays perfect(aside from general operator/player
> > incompetence).

> > Otto----hanging on to his lifetime warranty



> > > The situation I am familiar with is totally the opposite. It also
> happened
> > to a
> > > room with 15 tables. I think alot had to do with the fact the
> distributor
> > swore
> > > up and down the guy was getting Italian, and he got Brazilian. Also
> these
> > > tables rolled very poorly. I will say Brunswick made good and switched
> > them,
> > > but it was after they were in storage and the room shut down.

 
 
 

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Post by Greg Matthew » Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:12:32

According to Brunswick, there were some Gold Crown III's without the
Brunswick logo on the head rail and all the IV's are without the logo. The
only sure way to tell a Gold Crown is to check the components and hardware
and make sure they matchup to the installation manual (link below).

http://www.cuecollector.com/temp/gold_crown_iii.pdf
--
Greg W. Matthews
The Cue Collector
www.CueCollector.com  - Buying and Selling Custom Cues Since 1992


Quote:
> At the very least, look for the plaque on the head rail that says Gold
Crown
> and look the slate over to make sure it's not broken/cracked/patched.

> Mark0



> > Hello,

> > I've got a chance to buy a table from a guy I don't know....he says its
a
> > mahogony 9ft Brunswick Gold Crown III.   Problem is, it's packed up in
> boxes
> > where it's been stored.

> > What should I look for?

> > Thanks,  in advance.

> > I've got to know   by tomorrow morning.  If you've got the time,  please
> > email me some advice.

> > John



 
 
 

Need advice....buying GOLD CROWN III Used table!

Post by Jtic » Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:48:57

Greg, I may be in the market for a table some time next summer.  I was thinking
along the lines of Brunswick.  How does one go about getting one of the tables
used on the WPBA tour?  I would think the tables used for these events would be
the best they produce.  

FWIW, I used to shoot in a tournament in a room owned by an old Italian fellow
and in this area the Italians are very close knit. He told me one night though
if I was ever in the market for a table to make sure I got South American slate
as it is superior to the Italian which was quite a statement coming from an old
Italian in central W.Va.

 
 
 

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Post by Greg Matthew » Sat, 29 Dec 2001 01:36:12

Hi:

I purchased my table from Reliable Sport in Holland, Michigan.

Ken, the gentleman who sold me my magnificent Gold Crown IV, was thoughtful
and knowledgeable. They have a website http://www.reliablesport.com/ that
lists their contact information. The last time I checked they had 7 tables
left for $4999.00.

These 4 day-old tables are better than new because they were used my the
WPBA in the Soaring Eagle event and have the gold tournament "Brunswick"
letters on the side. I bought table #1 from the event and he also has
several that were signed by the top ranked ladies.

Make SURE you tell him that Greg Matthews referred you. He said he would
send me a little something if my referral led to a sale.

--
Greg W. Matthews
The Cue Collector
www.CueCollector.com  - Buying and Selling Custom Cues Since 1992


Quote:
> Greg, I may be in the market for a table some time next summer.  I was
thinking
> along the lines of Brunswick.  How does one go about getting one of the
tables
> used on the WPBA tour?  I would think the tables used for these events
would be
> the best they produce.

> FWIW, I used to shoot in a tournament in a room owned by an old Italian
fellow
> and in this area the Italians are very close knit. He told me one night
though
> if I was ever in the market for a table to make sure I got South American
slate
> as it is superior to the Italian which was quite a statement coming from
an old
> Italian in central W.Va.