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by **Shane Sinno** » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:10:00

Billy,

I just finished reading some of your posts on Predator, squirt et al
and am curious if you had any questions I could answer for you......(I
know, I know, but I'm ready for it!)

I worked for Predator for almost 8 years so I feel I may be qualified
to comment on this topic although you may (or may not) agree (don't
you just love RSB!)

Any who, I don't have much to do this weekend, so let 'er rip and I
will be happy to answer any and all questions that you have.

Regards,

Shane Sinnott
Former Sales Manager of Predator Products :-)

by **Jim Wyan** » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:43:53

On 1/25/04 3:10 AM, in article

Quote:

> Billy,

> I just finished reading some of your posts on Predator, squirt et al
> and am curious if you had any questions I could answer for you......(I
> know, I know, but I'm ready for it!)

> I worked for Predator for almost 8 years so I feel I may be qualified
> to comment on this topic although you may (or may not) agree (don't
> you just love RSB!)

> Any who, I don't have much to do this weekend, so let 'er rip and I
> will be happy to answer any and all questions that you have.

> Regards,

> Shane Sinnott
> Former Sales Manager of Predator Products :-)

When did you leave Predator? And why?

--Jim

by **Bob Johnso** » Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:52:07

Shane, I didn't realize you'd left. That might be why the Predator
newsletter hasn't been sent out for awhile. Hope all is well with you.

--
Bob Johnson, Denver, Co.

Quote:

> Billy,

> I just finished reading some of your posts on Predator, squirt et al
> and am curious if you had any questions I could answer for you......(I
> know, I know, but I'm ready for it!)

> I worked for Predator for almost 8 years so I feel I may be qualified
> to comment on this topic although you may (or may not) agree (don't
> you just love RSB!)

> Any who, I don't have much to do this weekend, so let 'er rip and I
> will be happy to answer any and all questions that you have.

> Regards,

> Shane Sinnott
> Former Sales Manager of Predator Products :-)

by **Bill** » Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:11:23

Quote:

> Billy,

> I just finished reading some of your posts on Predator, squirt et al
> and am curious if you had any questions I could answer for you......(I
> know, I know, but I'm ready for it!)

> I worked for Predator for almost 8 years so I feel I may be qualified
> to comment on this topic although you may (or may not) agree (don't
> you just love RSB!)

As long as RSB exists, there will always be disagreements and flame
wars that exist, with Predator being one of the great motivators for
such. On Predators website this is what it says: "Spin is indirectly
related to cue ball deflection.
The less deflection, the more spin. Predator produces more spin than
any conventional cue, which makes it easier to draw, follow and move
your cue ball around the table". So here are some questions:

1. It has been argued here ad nauseum regarding spin. I am one that
feels there is in fact more spin produced with a Predator without
using any more force or tip offset. The Predator guru's here that
would like your old job have actually stated that there is NO
additional spin from a Predator and are not buying into the "superspin
theory". So does it produce more spin or not according to the ads?
Is it true or false advertising?

2. What tests were conducted to determine the amount of spin produced
with a Predator compared to other shafts? Also, were they conducted
with a robot, humans, and with what settings on the robot?

3. Meucci has a chart comparing different shafts to the black dot and
the amount of squirt that has the black dot shown in a favorable
position. Has Predator done similar tests that they've published and
what were they're results and why would they be different?

4. Would a Uni-loc joint produce less favorable results than any
other joint in shot performance, such as more spin/less spin; more
squirt/less squirt; better hit or feel/worse hit or feel?

That's enough questions for now and I appreciate your input and
responding to all of us on a sane, or is it Shane, level.

...................Billy

by **Patrick Johnso** » Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:43:46

Quote:

> 1. ... The Predator guru's here that
> would like your old job have actually stated that there is NO
> additional spin from a Predator

It's been acknowledged here that less squirt might increase the
efficiency of power transfer to the cue ball, but that it wouldn't
increase the spin-to-speed ratio, which is likely entirely dependent on
tip offset. It's also been suggested that the power increase is
probably negligible to begin with and that Predator's soft ferrule might
absorb most, all or even more than all of it (maybe Predator produces
*less* power overall).

By the way, it's pretty silly to keep saying we're all blind Predator
promoters and then say we argue against Predator's superspin. Which is
it, Billy? Do we shamelessly argue for or against Predator?

And all these questions (yes, all of them) have been asked of Shane and
Predator in the past, right here on RSB. We've been asking questions
about these things for years. The difference is we've had the advantage
of building on lessons learned here in the past (while you seem to be
unaware of them) and we've had more or less open minds about it (while
you seem to get it all mixed up with your personal grudges).

But by all means feel free to reinvent the wheel in whatever shape you
prefer.

Pat Johnson
Chicago

by **Bill** » Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:44:29

Quote:

> > 1. ... The Predator guru's here that
> > would like your old job have actually stated that there is NO
> > additional spin from a Predator

> It's been acknowledged here that less squirt might increase the
> efficiency of power transfer to the cue ball, but that it wouldn't
> increase the spin-to-speed ratio, which is likely entirely dependent on
> tip offset. It's also been suggested that the power increase is
> probably negligible to begin with and that Predator's soft ferrule might
> absorb most, all or even more than all of it (maybe Predator produces
> *less* power overall).

> By the way, it's pretty silly to keep saying we're all blind Predator
> promoters and then say we argue against Predator's superspin. Which is
> it, Billy? Do we shamelessly argue for or against Predator?

> And all these questions (yes, all of them) have been asked of Shane and
> Predator in the past, right here on RSB. We've been asking questions
> about these things for years. The difference is we've had the advantage
> of building on lessons learned here in the past (while you seem to be
> unaware of them) and we've had more or less open minds about it (while
> you seem to get it all mixed up with your personal grudges).

> But by all means feel free to reinvent the wheel in whatever shape you
> prefer.

Hey Pat...why don't you just shut your scumbag mouth already. Shane
started a thread directly to me asking for questions. I asked...he
can choose to answer or not, but he started the thread. This post of
yours shows more and more about your character and makeup and what
turns you on, and it's your ego and trying to make yourself look like
you know everything, and do whatever you can to bring someone else
down. You truly are a disgusting human being, I mean a sub-human.
Anyone that falls for your ***and wishes to be one of your
sychophants here deserves you.

..............Billy

by **Patrick Johnso** » Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:04:03

Quote:

> ... You truly are a disgusting human being, I mean a sub-human.

Try reviewing the things you've said to me and what I've said to you. I
think most here would tell you that you're the one making gratuitous
negative comments, Billy.

Maybe you should take a break from here for awhile if a mild
disagreement like this (particularly one that you start) upsets you so much.

Really.

Pat Johnson
Chicago

by **pltrgys** » Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:51:25

Quote:

>> > 1. ... The Predator guru's here that
>> > would like your old job have actually stated that there is NO
>> > additional spin from a Predator

>....Hey Pat...why don't you just shut your scumbag mouth already. Shane
>started a thread directly to me asking for questions.

Yo, Billy, had Shane wished to speak with you only, he could have
emailed you. And you started the ***with your gratuitous slam in #1
above. You could have asked your question without asking for trouble.

-- Larry

by **Harold Acos** » Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:13:24

First post in this forum...and although the question is being made to
Shane, any response will be appreciated.

Why is the Predator shaft hollow? How can a hollow shaft improve
your game more than the regular all-maple shaft?

I'm not a Predator fan, altough I like the looks of the Sneaky Petes
but knowing that the shaft is hollow I just cannot comprehend the
advantages of such a product.

Somehow, Predator has ***d their "superiority" into many
player's minds but I have not bought the hype.

Is there anything I don't know?

Quote:

> Billy,

> I just finished reading some of your posts on Predator, squirt et al
> and am curious if you had any questions I could answer for you......(I
> know, I know, but I'm ready for it!)

> I worked for Predator for almost 8 years so I feel I may be qualified
> to comment on this topic although you may (or may not) agree (don't
> you just love RSB!)

> Any who, I don't have much to do this weekend, so let 'er rip and I
> will be happy to answer any and all questions that you have.

> Regards,

> Shane Sinnott
> Former Sales Manager of Predator Products :-)

by **Ron Shepar** » Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:05:24

Quote:

> Why is the Predator shaft hollow?

I suggest that you read the section in the FAQ about squirt. If you
grok physics equations, then download

<http://www.sfbilliards.com/Shepard_squirt.pdf>

$.02 -Ron Shepard

by **Stev** » Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:43:01

Over simplified, it is because the whole theory behind Predator's
design is that less front-end weight decreases deflection. That is
also why they have a thin walled ferrule. Personally I don't play with
a Predator, but I've friends who swear by it's reduced deflection. To
each his own.
Steve.

Quote:

> First post in this forum...and although the question is being made to
> Shane, any response will be appreciated.

> Why is the Predator shaft hollow? How can a hollow shaft improve
> your game more than the regular all-maple shaft?

> I'm not a Predator fan, altough I like the looks of the Sneaky Petes
> but knowing that the shaft is hollow I just cannot comprehend the
> advantages of such a product.

> Somehow, Predator has ***d their "superiority" into many
> player's minds but I have not bought the hype.

> Is there anything I don't know?

> > Billy,

> > I just finished reading some of your posts on Predator, squirt et al
> > and am curious if you had any questions I could answer for you......(I
> > know, I know, but I'm ready for it!)

> > I worked for Predator for almost 8 years so I feel I may be qualified
> > to comment on this topic although you may (or may not) agree (don't
> > you just love RSB!)

> > Any who, I don't have much to do this weekend, so let 'er rip and I
> > will be happy to answer any and all questions that you have.

> > Regards,

> > Shane Sinnott
> > Former Sales Manager of Predator Products :-)

by **Fred Agn** » Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:55:39

Quote:

> First post in this forum...and although the question is being made to
> Shane, any response will be appreciated.

> Why is the Predator shaft hollow? How can a hollow shaft improve
> your game more than the regular all-maple shaft?

> I'm not a Predator fan, altough I like the looks of the Sneaky Petes
> but knowing that the shaft is hollow I just cannot comprehend the
> advantages of such a product.

> Somehow, Predator has ***d their "superiority" into many
> player's minds but I have not bought the hype.

> Is there anything I don't know?

I shouldn't be, but I am stunned Harold. You've described yourself as
the "anti-Predator Champ" yet you know nothing about the basic idea of
it? It's not for everyone, as I've said many times. But, after all
these years, and all the information that's readily available, at the
very least you should know something about it before categorically
denouncing it as "hype." Then you can make an intelligent case one way
or another.

So the answer is, yes there's obviously a lot about it you don't know.

Fred

by **Bill** » Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:02:54

Quote:

> >> > 1. ... The Predator guru's here that
> >> > would like your old job have actually stated that there is NO
> >> > additional spin from a Predator

> >....Hey Pat...why don't you just shut your scumbag mouth already. Shane
> >started a thread directly to me asking for questions.

> Yo, Billy, had Shane wished to speak with you only, he could have
> emailed you. And you started the ***with your gratuitous slam in #1
> above. You could have asked your question without asking for trouble.

Yo Larry, The name of the thread from Shane is HEY BILLY, I USED TO
WORK FOR PREDATOR...ANY QUESTIONS???? What does that mean to you?
And how do you know that Shane and I haven't emailed each other?
Larry...another sycophant identified. JAMS number of 10 may be higher
than she anticipated.

..................Billy

Sport Today

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????

Hey Billy, I used to work for Predator.....any questions????