Diamond Pro cut v. Billiard cut pockets

Diamond Pro cut v. Billiard cut pockets

Post by sheldoncu » Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:00:00


the local hall here has a diamond table that was used on the pro tour. I am
assuming it has the pro-cut pockets. they are quite narrow and it is very
easy to jar and hang up balls.

| Hi all
|
| Wondered if any of you have played on Diamond tables that have the
| 'Pro cut' pockets as well as the 'Billiard cut' pockets.
|
| At our local Fox and Hound, I'm guessing they've got the Billiard
| variety.  Chad tells me that the Billiard pockets are slightly larger.
| I wonder though, if the opening is wider out onto the table, making
| the pocket appear larger to the shooter, but because of the angle of
| the rails (on the way in the pocket I mean), could these pockets tend
| to jar a ball out when shooting down the rail with a lot of speed?
|
| I ask because I've noticed a little more of that going on with the Fox
| & Hound tables.  The tables are in need of repair and are scheduled
| for maintenance soon.  The rails do look slightly cupped from all the
| folks banging the balls in, and I'm sure that's contributing to the
| sometimes surprising rattling balls in the pockets.  Just doesn't seem
| like they allow the ball to head of the back of the pocket like they
| should once you've hit firmly inside the pocket on a rail shot.
|
| Anyway, for those of you that have played on the Pro cut variety, do
| you like it?  I'm getting a table in the next month or so and would
| like to get the Pro cut, since myself and most of my friends consider
| themselves as reasonably good players.  I think I'd prefer to have a
| little tougher table at home rather than an easier one.
|
| Thanks for your opinions.
|
| Now if somebody can just help me get rid of my habit of putting left
| spin on my strong draw shots!  I know I'm pronating my right hand on
| the way through, but I'm having a bear of a time stopping it.  Do they
| make a patch or some gum I can chew to kick the habit?
|
| -Toby
 
 
 

Diamond Pro cut v. Billiard cut pockets

Post by Toby Mil » Thu, 03 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Hi all

Wondered if any of you have played on Diamond tables that have the
'Pro cut' pockets as well as the 'Billiard cut' pockets.

At our local Fox and Hound, I'm guessing they've got the Billiard
variety.  Chad tells me that the Billiard pockets are slightly larger.
I wonder though, if the opening is wider out onto the table, making
the pocket appear larger to the shooter, but because of the angle of
the rails (on the way in the pocket I mean), could these pockets tend
to jar a ball out when shooting down the rail with a lot of speed?

I ask because I've noticed a little more of that going on with the Fox
& Hound tables.  The tables are in need of repair and are scheduled
for maintenance soon.  The rails do look slightly cupped from all the
folks banging the balls in, and I'm sure that's contributing to the
sometimes surprising rattling balls in the pockets.  Just doesn't seem
like they allow the ball to head of the back of the pocket like they
should once you've hit firmly inside the pocket on a rail shot.

Anyway, for those of you that have played on the Pro cut variety, do
you like it?  I'm getting a table in the next month or so and would
like to get the Pro cut, since myself and most of my friends consider
themselves as reasonably good players.  I think I'd prefer to have a
little tougher table at home rather than an easier one.

Thanks for your opinions.

Now if somebody can just help me get rid of my habit of putting left
spin on my strong draw shots!  I know I'm pronating my right hand on
the way through, but I'm having a bear of a time stopping it.  Do they
make a patch or some gum I can chew to kick the habit?

-Toby

 
 
 

Diamond Pro cut v. Billiard cut pockets

Post by Jim Davi » Thu, 03 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Toby,

I have a 9' Diamond table with the pro pockets. Not only are the pockets a
bit tighter they are deeper. A ball can be past the points on a corner
pocket and not go down. The corner pockets will definitely "reject" a shot
that is hit too firmly if it does not go in just right. The good news is
that you will find the pockets on most other tables seem cavernous by
comparison.

Quote:

> Hi all

> Wondered if any of you have played on Diamond tables that have the
> 'Pro cut' pockets as well as the 'Billiard cut' pockets.

> At our local Fox and Hound, I'm guessing they've got the Billiard
> variety.  Chad tells me that the Billiard pockets are slightly larger.
> I wonder though, if the opening is wider out onto the table, making
> the pocket appear larger to the shooter, but because of the angle of
> the rails (on the way in the pocket I mean), could these pockets tend
> to jar a ball out when shooting down the rail with a lot of speed?

> I ask because I've noticed a little more of that going on with the Fox
> & Hound tables.  The tables are in need of repair and are scheduled
> for maintenance soon.  The rails do look slightly cupped from all the
> folks banging the balls in, and I'm sure that's contributing to the
> sometimes surprising rattling balls in the pockets.  Just doesn't seem
> like they allow the ball to head of the back of the pocket like they
> should once you've hit firmly inside the pocket on a rail shot.

> Anyway, for those of you that have played on the Pro cut variety, do
> you like it?  I'm getting a table in the next month or so and would
> like to get the Pro cut, since myself and most of my friends consider
> themselves as reasonably good players.  I think I'd prefer to have a
> little tougher table at home rather than an easier one.

> Thanks for your opinions.

> Now if somebody can just help me get rid of my habit of putting left
> spin on my strong draw shots!  I know I'm pronating my right hand on
> the way through, but I'm having a bear of a time stopping it.  Do they
> make a patch or some gum I can chew to kick the habit?

> -Toby


 
 
 

Diamond Pro cut v. Billiard cut pockets

Post by Joey » Thu, 03 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Toby, if you buy a Pro Cut Diamond pool table, you won't be REGULARLY
running a large number of consecutive racks in nine ball either.  You won't
be cheating pockets.  You will be frustrated more than usual.

The upside is that if you have a high level of tolerance and acceptance, it
will make other tables pockets look "cavernous" as Jim mentioned.  Your game
may improve because you WILL have to be a lot more accurate on a Pro Cut
table.

Fox and Hound put the LARGE pocket Diamond tables in their establishment so
that average people can have fun (make lots of balls) and keep coming back
to F & H.  Not a bad idea.

Since I am now working on my nine ball game rather than one pocket, I would
get the pockets cut just below the Pro Cut because I like being able to
cheat pockets and run multiple racks in nine ball.  The penalty for***
balls up in the pocket while playing one pocket is not as great as it is in
nine ball.

Drop back in to the newsgroup and let us know what you get and how you like
playing on your new table.

BTW, I thought there were THREE different cuts available from Diamond , not
TWO.

Good Luck,
Joey Aguzin


Quote:
> Toby,

> I have a 9' Diamond table with the pro pockets. Not only are the pockets a
> bit tighter they are deeper. A ball can be past the points on a corner
> pocket and not go down. The corner pockets will definitely "reject" a shot
> that is hit too firmly if it does not go in just right. The good news is
> that you will find the pockets on most other tables seem cavernous by
> comparison.


> > Hi all

> > Wondered if any of you have played on Diamond tables that have the
> > 'Pro cut' pockets as well as the 'Billiard cut' pockets.

> > At our local Fox and Hound, I'm guessing they've got the Billiard
> > variety.  Chad tells me that the Billiard pockets are slightly larger.
> > I wonder though, if the opening is wider out onto the table, making
> > the pocket appear larger to the shooter, but because of the angle of
> > the rails (on the way in the pocket I mean), could these pockets tend
> > to jar a ball out when shooting down the rail with a lot of speed?

> > I ask because I've noticed a little more of that going on with the Fox
> > & Hound tables.  The tables are in need of repair and are scheduled
> > for maintenance soon.  The rails do look slightly cupped from all the
> > folks banging the balls in, and I'm sure that's contributing to the
> > sometimes surprising rattling balls in the pockets.  Just doesn't seem
> > like they allow the ball to head of the back of the pocket like they
> > should once you've hit firmly inside the pocket on a rail shot.

> > Anyway, for those of you that have played on the Pro cut variety, do
> > you like it?  I'm getting a table in the next month or so and would
> > like to get the Pro cut, since myself and most of my friends consider
> > themselves as reasonably good players.  I think I'd prefer to have a
> > little tougher table at home rather than an easier one.

> > Thanks for your opinions.

> > Now if somebody can just help me get rid of my habit of putting left
> > spin on my strong draw shots!  I know I'm pronating my right hand on
> > the way through, but I'm having a bear of a time stopping it.  Do they
> > make a patch or some gum I can chew to kick the habit?

> > -Toby

 
 
 

Diamond Pro cut v. Billiard cut pockets

Post by George C. McBa » Thu, 03 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>Hi all

>Wondered if any of you have played on Diamond tables that have the
>'Pro cut' pockets as well as the 'Billiard cut' pockets.

>At our local Fox and Hound, I'm guessing they've got the Billiard
>variety.  Chad tells me that the Billiard pockets are slightly larger.
>I wonder though, if the opening is wider out onto the table, making
>the pocket appear larger to the shooter, but because of the angle of
>the rails (on the way in the pocket I mean), could these pockets tend
>to jar a ball out when shooting down the rail with a lot of speed?

Chalkie's here in Columbus has both kinds.  The smaller (Pro?) pockets have maybe
1/4" of slop left if you put two balls side by side in the jaws.  The larger ones
look like they have more than half an inch.  I have not noticed any particular
tendency to jaw balls on the smaller pockets; I like those tables
better, in fact   (Unless I'm playing RREO :-)  

-George.

 
 
 

Diamond Pro cut v. Billiard cut pockets

Post by Derek R » Thu, 03 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

>Toby, if you buy a Pro Cut Diamond pool table, you won't be REGULARLY
>running a large number of consecutive racks in nine ball either.  You won't
>be cheating pockets.  You will be frustrated more than usual.

>The upside is that if you have a high level of tolerance and acceptance, it
>will make other tables pockets look "cavernous" as Jim mentioned.  Your game
>may improve because you WILL have to be a lot more accurate on a Pro Cut
>table.

There is a pro-cut Diamond at a local poolroom that I grab every
opportunity to play on.  After about 15 min. of frustration, my game
usually settles down to the concentration level I need to work on that
table - and then later that night when I move to another table
(different hall), yes, the pockets DO look cavernous.  I figure that
if I practiced on it exclusively and didn't***around on other
boxes, my game would be sharply improving, as opposed to gradually
sliding forward.

Quote:
>Fox and Hound put the LARGE pocket Diamond tables in their establishment so
>that average people can have fun (make lots of balls) and keep coming back
>to F & H.  Not a bad idea.

most pool halls around here do this.  wise idea.  =)

-- Derek

Deafness never kept composers from hearing the music.
It only stopped them hearing the distractions.

 
 
 

Diamond Pro cut v. Billiard cut pockets

Post by rna.. » Fri, 04 Feb 2000 04:00:00

I agree with all of the postings.  I bought the 9' Diamond walnut with
pro-cut pockets.  I love it!  Keeps my game very sharp and I have not
had any problems going to other tables. As I continue to develop my
game it helps me be aware of stroke, speed, position and ball patterns
for highest percentage shots. No negatives from my side, but, it is all
individual.  What works for me doesn't always work for others.

Enjoy!

Bob



Quote:
> Hi all

> Wondered if any of you have played on Diamond tables that have the
> 'Pro cut' pockets as well as the 'Billiard cut' pockets.

> At our local Fox and Hound, I'm guessing they've got the Billiard
> variety.  Chad tells me that the Billiard pockets are slightly larger.
> I wonder though, if the opening is wider out onto the table, making
> the pocket appear larger to the shooter, but because of the angle of
> the rails (on the way in the pocket I mean), could these pockets tend
> to jar a ball out when shooting down the rail with a lot of speed?

> I ask because I've noticed a little more of that going on with the Fox
> & Hound tables.  The tables are in need of repair and are scheduled
> for maintenance soon.  The rails do look slightly cupped from all the
> folks banging the balls in, and I'm sure that's contributing to the
> sometimes surprising rattling balls in the pockets.  Just doesn't seem
> like they allow the ball to head of the back of the pocket like they
> should once you've hit firmly inside the pocket on a rail shot.

> Anyway, for those of you that have played on the Pro cut variety, do
> you like it?  I'm getting a table in the next month or so and would
> like to get the Pro cut, since myself and most of my friends consider
> themselves as reasonably good players.  I think I'd prefer to have a
> little tougher table at home rather than an easier one.

> Thanks for your opinions.

> Now if somebody can just help me get rid of my habit of putting left
> spin on my strong draw shots!  I know I'm pronating my right hand on
> the way through, but I'm having a bear of a time stopping it.  Do they
> make a patch or some gum I can chew to kick the habit?

> -Toby

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Diamond Pro cut v. Billiard cut pockets

Post by QuantumDo » Fri, 04 Feb 2000 04:00:00

All I know is with the pro cut pockets, you simply cannot put two balls
side by side in the pocket opening.  Jump Shots in Durham, NC has two
Diamonds they got from the pro tour, and man - they are tight!!!
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Diamond Pro cut v. Billiard cut pockets

Post by Patrick Johnso » Fri, 04 Feb 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Just what are "Billiard Cut" pockets???  Billiard tables have no
> pockets.  Why "Billiard Cut"???

I think he's starting to get it...

Pat Johnson
Chicago

 
 
 

Diamond Pro cut v. Billiard cut pockets

Post by Joey » Fri, 04 Feb 2000 04:00:00

The Pro Cut pockets of the Diamond tables that I play on do not accomodate
two balls at the same time.  The pockets are smaller than 4 1/2" width.

So perhaps there are three choices of sizes that you can choose from.   Like
you said, it may be a good idea to check with Diamond as to what they
suggest.
JoeyA
FTR, I like playing on all sizes pocket tables.


Quote:

> >Hi all

> >Wondered if any of you have played on Diamond tables that have the
> >'Pro cut' pockets as well as the 'Billiard cut' pockets.

> >At our local Fox and Hound, I'm guessing they've got the Billiard
> >variety.  Chad tells me that the Billiard pockets are slightly larger.
> >I wonder though, if the opening is wider out onto the table, making
> >the pocket appear larger to the shooter, but because of the angle of
> >the rails (on the way in the pocket I mean), could these pockets tend
> >to jar a ball out when shooting down the rail with a lot of speed?

> Chalkie's here in Columbus has both kinds.  The smaller (Pro?) pockets
have maybe
> 1/4" of slop left if you put two balls side by side in the jaws.  The
larger ones
> look like they have more than half an inch.  I have not noticed any
particular
> tendency to jaw balls on the smaller pockets; I like those tables
> better, in fact   (Unless I'm playing RREO :-)

> -George.