racking question & chalk on cloth ?

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by Stev » Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:20:04


The BCA rules state that the 1 ball is on the pink spot, and the 9
ball is in the middle, all other balls are racked random ?
Does anyone not follow these racking rules ???

Also, is getting chalk on your rail cloth or bed cloth some kind of
disaster ??

My local table salesman was quite concerned that I place the chalk on
the rails - ie. I dont have a*** chalk holder.

The chalk has got a paper covering - so not much if any chalk ever
gets on the cloth ??

Whats the big deal ??  

Thanx...
Stevo.

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racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by Victor Bazaro » Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:36:48

Quote:

> The BCA rules state that the 1 ball is on the pink spot, and the 9
> ball is in the middle, all other balls are racked random ?
> Does anyone not follow these racking rules ???

I saw people racking in this fashion:

    1
   5 8
  2 9 4
   6 7
    3

repeatedly.  I also saw

    1      and       1
   5 6              2 3
  2 9 3            4 9 5
   7 8              6 7
    4                8

.

Quote:
> Also, is getting chalk on your rail cloth or bed cloth some kind of
> disaster ??

It changes the properties of the cloth.  It also contributes
to cloth's wear considerably.

Quote:
> My local table salesman was quite concerned that I place the chalk on
> the rails - ie. I dont have a*** chalk holder.

Chalk on the table is inevitable.  However, there is no much
sense in helping it get there.

Quote:
> The chalk has got a paper covering - so not much if any chalk ever
> gets on the cloth ??

Actually much more than many tend to think.  The main path for
chalk onto the cloth is from the cue tip into the air at the
moment of the shot and then down, and from the tip onto the cue
ball surface and then by rubbing off when the cue ball is
rolling.

When a piece of chalk is sitting on the rail, there is always
some loose chalk in the hole.  Sometimes more than on the tip
of the cue stick.  Drop that piece of chalk onto the playing
surface and you spill that loose chalk onto the cloth.

Quote:
> Whats the big deal ??

Chalk helps gripping the cue tip.  If you have chalk on/in the
cloth, the balls grip the cloth harder, slide less.  Besides,
chalk is abrasive.  Any time a ball runs on the fabric, the
chalk particles will move in the fibres and cut some of them.
That's what causes the cloth to wear.  More chalk - more wear.

Clean the cloth periodically and that should keep it healthier.

And listen to your table mechanic :-)

Victor

 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by dalecu » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:34:54

<many good points about chalk and why you don*t want it on your
cloth>

to which I would add:

1. never ever, ever, ever chalk the cue over the table - chalk dust
    will sprinkle on to the cloth

2. don*t grind the chalk into the tip like you*re trying to open a
    very long skinny jar - instead, brush lightly across the tip - does
    a better job and generates much less dust

HTH
Dale<--who is only compulsive about a few things>

Quote:

>And listen to your table mechanic :-)

also good advice
Quote:

>Victor


 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by Patrick Johnso » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:04:23

Quote:

> I saw people racking in this fashion:

>     1
>    5 8
>   2 9 4
>    6 7
>     3

> repeatedly.  I also saw

>     1      and       1
>    5 6              2 3
>   2 9 3            4 9 5
>    7 8              6 7
>     4                8

There doesn't seem to be any reason to rack these ways, except they're
patterns that are easy to remember.  Here's a rack with a defensive
reason (when you're racking and you want to make running out as hard as
possible for your opponent):

       1
      3 x
     x 9 x
      x 2
       x

The 1 naturally rolls toward the head of the table on the break.
Putting the 2 in the next-to-last row keeps it nearer the foot of the
table after the break.  Putting the 3 in the second row keeps it nearer
the head of the table.  This means that the breaker will probably have
to move his cue ball from one end of the table to the other a couple of
times to get past the 1, 2 & 3 balls.  Of course, if he makes nothing on
the break then you're left with this situation, so maybe there's no real
advantage.

Pat Johnson
Chicago

 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by Ravelom » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 02:02:54

There are two things that I consider serious breeches of pool etiquette:

Placing the chalk face down on the rail.

Slathering talcum powder all over your hands and cue shaft and then getting
that mess all over the rails and cloth.

It's unsightly, it gets all over one's clothes, it affects the way the balls
play, it leads to premature cloth wear and it is the mark of a careless,
inconsiderate slob.

Jerry R

 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by jemm » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 02:37:27


Quote:

>The BCA rules state that the 1 ball is on the pink spot, and the 9
>ball is in the middle, all other balls are racked random ?
>Does anyone not follow these racking rules ???

I always thought that the word 'random' in the BCA rule was not quite
the right term, since if you always rack the same way, it's not
random. I think 'arbitrary' might be a better term.

I always rack the same way, because a player who taught me a lot once
pointed out that 2+7 = 9, 3+6=9, 5+4=9, and 1+8=9. Since we're playing
9-ball I always thought it was a nice pattern and easy to remember so,
I rack:

     1
    2 7
   6 9 3
    4 5
     8

-Jemma

 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by David Malo » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 02:43:29



Quote:
>There are two things that I consider serious breeches of pool etiquette:
>Placing the chalk face down on the rail.
>Slathering talcum powder all over your hands and cue shaft and then getting
>that mess all over the rails and cloth.

I have a few more....

Dropping your pizza face down on the brand new Simonis 860. I won't
mention any names but Gideon knows who I'm talking about...

Breaking when I'm still standing behind the head spot with the rack in
my hot little hands.

Cleaning your cue tip on the carpet when it's my home poolroom and my
carpet.. sheesh.

Any more?

David "The Hamster" Malone

 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by Patrick Johnso » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 05:26:47

Quote:

> I always thought that the word 'random' in the BCA rule was not quite
> the right term, since if you always rack the same way, it's not
> random. I think 'arbitrary' might be a better term.

I think "random" is the right term because the rules intend that you NOT
always rack the same way.

Pat Johnson
Chicago

 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by David Malo » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 05:42:01

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:26:47 -0500, Patrick Johnson

Quote:

>I think "random" is the right term because the rules intend that you NOT
>always rack the same way.

It's not enforced is it - how the heck can they stop someone racking
the same way every time? I think she has a good point...

David "The Hamster" Malone

 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by Donald Tee » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:17:14


Quote:


> >There are two things that I consider serious breeches of pool etiquette:
> >Placing the chalk face down on the rail.
> >Slathering talcum powder all over your hands and cue shaft and then
getting
> >that mess all over the rails and cloth.

> I have a few more....

> Dropping your pizza face down on the brand new Simonis 860. I won't
> mention any names but Gideon knows who I'm talking about...

> Breaking when I'm still standing behind the head spot with the rack in
> my hot little hands.

> Cleaning your cue tip on the carpet when it's my home poolroom and my
> carpet.. sheesh.

> Any more?

> David "The Hamster" Malone

Smoking within two feet of a table ... even in smoking approved rooms,
filled with avid smokers.

Donald

 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by Patrick Johnso » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:24:03

Me:

Quote:
>>I think "random" is the right term because the rules intend that you NOT
>>always rack the same way.

Hamster:

Quote:
> It's not enforced is it - how the heck can they stop someone racking
> the same way every time? I think she has a good point...

"They" can stop it the same way every other illegal action is stopped:  players
or referees call it when it happens.  I'm sure lots of "rack stacking" can be
undetectable, but the worst of it can be policed.  Calling it "arbitrary" would
actually ENCOURAGE it.

One way to ensure against it entirely is to do the exact opposite: specify the
rack order.  But that makes the game more predictable - throw in the Sardo rack
and you might as well let computers play each other.

(Oh, right, that's what we do now...)
Pat Johnson
Chicago

 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by Stephe » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:24:10

Quote:

> Dropping your pizza face down on the brand new Simonis 860. I won't
> mention any names but Gideon knows who I'm talking about...

> Breaking when I'm still standing behind the head spot with the rack in
> my hot little hands.

> Cleaning your cue tip on the carpet when it's my home poolroom and my
> carpet.. sheesh.

Number 3 would be result in a boot print on the way out the door in my
home.  Number one would be a*** offense.

My first rule is, no eating and playing at the same time allowed.  I
don't care if that sounds anal, I don't want anyone wiping their greasy
hands off on my Granito Basalt.  I don't know anyone who does this at
their own table.

Stephen

 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by Mark » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:48:16

Grinding out a cigarette on the carpeting.
'What the hell....?'
' I forgot I was indoors.'

Mark0


Quote:




> > >There are two things that I consider serious breeches of pool
etiquette:
> > >Placing the chalk face down on the rail.
> > >Slathering talcum powder all over your hands and cue shaft and then
> getting
> > >that mess all over the rails and cloth.

> > I have a few more....

> > Dropping your pizza face down on the brand new Simonis 860. I won't
> > mention any names but Gideon knows who I'm talking about...

> > Breaking when I'm still standing behind the head spot with the rack in
> > my hot little hands.

> > Cleaning your cue tip on the carpet when it's my home poolroom and my
> > carpet.. sheesh.

> > Any more?

> > David "The Hamster" Malone

> Smoking within two feet of a table ... even in smoking approved rooms,
> filled with avid smokers.

> Donald

 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by dalecu » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:56:28

Quote:


>> I always thought that the word 'random' in the BCA rule was not quite
>> the right term, since if you always rack the same way, it's not
>> random. I think 'arbitrary' might be a better term.

>I think "random" is the right term because the rules intend that you NOT
>always rack the same way.

where exactly in the rules is that idea either stated or implied?

Dale<---enquiring minds...etc>

Quote:

>Pat Johnson
>Chicago

 
 
 

racking question & chalk on cloth ?

Post by Patrick Johnso » Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:04:34

Me:

Quote:
>>I think "random" is the right term because the rules intend that you NOT
>>always rack the same way.

Dale:

Quote:
> where exactly in the rules is that idea either stated or implied?

You're kidding, right?  It's stated by the word "random".  That's what
it means (exactly).

Jemma thought another word should be used because he thinks rules are
just there to answer the question "what does Jemma do?" (kinda like Jack
Stein's definition of "dictionary").

Pat Johnson
Chicago