What are the Top 10 ways to improve your overall 8Ball game?

What are the Top 10 ways to improve your overall 8Ball game?

Post by Play4aBuc » Thu, 06 May 1999 04:00:00


I play an above average game with no particular weak spots, but my game has
not been improving.

What has worked best to raise your level of the game?

#1  Practicing the drills found in the books/videos?
#2  Playing more games with other players?
#3  Shooting balls by yourself?
#4  Watching better players shoot?
#5  Playing more on a large table, then returning to the bar table?
#6  Changing sticks?
#7  Getting new glasses?
#8  Changing tips?
#9   Getting more sleep the night before?
#10 ?

 
 
 

What are the Top 10 ways to improve your overall 8Ball game?

Post by Siemel Nar » Thu, 06 May 1999 04:00:00

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>#1  Practicing the drills found in the books/videos?
>#2  Playing more games with other players?
>#3  Shooting balls by yourself?
>#4  Watching better players shoot?
>#5  Playing more on a large table, then returning to the bar table?
>#6  Changing sticks?
>#7  Getting new glasses?
>#8  Changing tips?
>#9   Getting more sleep the night before?
>#10 ?

For me, #3 is the most important.
But #1 gives me ideas to practice when I do #3.
And #2 helps, but I think I try too hard to win so I don't do that well,
and some people I play with play defensively, and this keeps me from
trying out exciting shots.
I haven't done much of #4, but I think it's a great idea.  It does get
boring though.
On second thoughts, #9 might be the most important.

As regards #5, I hate bar tables.
As regards #6 and #8, I don't know.
As regards #7, I'm better with my contacts.

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What are the Top 10 ways to improve your overall 8Ball game?

Post by Hustlefinge » Thu, 06 May 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
> I play an above average game with no particular weak spots, but my game has
> not been improving.

> What has worked best to raise your level of the game?

> #1  Practicing the drills found in the books/videos?
> #2  Playing more games with other players?
> #3  Shooting balls by yourself?
> #4  Watching better players shoot?
> #5  Playing more on a large table, then returning to the bar table?
> #6  Changing sticks?
> #7  Getting new glasses?
> #8  Changing tips?
> #9   Getting more sleep the night before?
> #10 ?

#10 Play in more tournaments.

Rick

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Post by sam » Thu, 06 May 1999 04:00:00

Play4aBuck,  My  answers are below.

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>I play an above average game with no particular weak spots, but my game has
>not been improving.

>What has worked best to raise your level of the game?

>#1  Practicing the drills found in the books/videos?

Rarely.  No time

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>#2  Playing more games with other players?

Yes.  But play more games with players BETTER than yourself.

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>#3  Shooting balls by yourself?

Yes, before any match

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>#4  Watching better players shoot?

I don't just watch them (accu-stat videos),  I pick out players who are
better than I and play them.  I get very little from playing someone who is
at my level or below.

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>#5  Playing more on a large table, then returning to the bar table?

I only play on 9 foot tables.  I'm going to get it for this, but I don't
feel like I'm really playing pool on a bar size table.  I compare it to
playing golf on a 3 par course with holes 110 yards and shorter.  I know, it
is really pool, but it just doesn't feel as good as a 9 footer.

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>#6  Changing sticks?

Nonsense.  Unless there is something wrong with the one you have.

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>#7  Getting new glasses?

Can you see 20/20 with your current glasses?

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>#8  Changing tips?

Maybe.  Or at least making sure it is well shaped and chalked before each
shot

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>#9   Getting more sleep the night before?

If you are not physically and mentally prepared to play well, you won't.

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>#10 ?

Find the guy who won't give you another shot if you miss.  (he runs out)
After playing him for a while you will get better or sit down a lot.

Sincerely, Sam

 
 
 

What are the Top 10 ways to improve your overall 8Ball game?

Post by John Walku » Thu, 06 May 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> I play an above average game with no particular weak spots, but my game has
> not been improving.

> What has worked best to raise your level of the game?

> #1  Practicing the drills found in the books/videos?

BORING!!!!  (Why make pool a chore?)

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> #2  Playing more games with other players?

Depends on the skill levels of your opponent.

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> #3  Shooting balls by yourself?

Not unless you choose your games wisely.  Playing nine-ball or eight
ball by yourself is worthless, IMO.

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> #4  Watching better players shoot?

Some value in it, especially strategy-wise.

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> #5  Playing more on a large table, then returning to the bar table?

Helps in some matters, hurts in others.  I wouldn't rate this as
especially helpful.

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> #6  Changing sticks?

May instill some confidence, but it isn't going to make you a better
player.  I do think that a player should learn with a cue that is at
least decent in quality.

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> #7  Getting new glasses?

Uhhh, yeah, that would help.

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> #8  Changing tips?

See #6.

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> #9   Getting more sleep the night before?

Can't hurt.

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> #10 ?

Okay, here is what I would do.  First, I would plunk down about
$20 to $30 and get an hour's worth of instruction to at least
get your stance, stroke, and bridge down.  Next, download the rules
to Indian off my web page and play it either solitaire or with friends.
This will get you focusing on the motion of the cue ball rather than
the object ball.  Then in 8 ball I would limit the speed of my shots to
medium/soft hit and use mostly center/slightly above center hit
and watch the cue ball after every shot. (But don't take your eye
off the object ball until it is well on its way towards the pocket.)
Do this until you can
predict fairly accurately where the cue ball will go after every hit.
Then throw in a little top and bottom English and do the same.
I wouldn't mess with side English until I was real comfortable
pocketing balls.

Those are my ideas.  Anyone?

--
John Walkup   The Cue Gallery (http://www.cuegallery.com)

Authorized Dealer:  Verl Horn Cues  Russ Espiritu Custom Cues

 
 
 

What are the Top 10 ways to improve your overall 8Ball game?

Post by gideo.. » Thu, 06 May 1999 04:00:00



Quote:
> Play4aBuck,  My  answers are below.

> >#2  Playing more games with other players?

> Yes.  But play more games with players BETTER than yourself.

<snip>

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> >#4  Watching better players shoot?

> I don't just watch them (accu-stat videos),  I pick out players who are
> better than I and play them.  I get very little from playing someone who is
> at my level or below.

Okay, but if everybody only wants to play players who are better than they
are, you'll never get a match (unless you are paying or betting).  Seems kind
of self-defeating, doesn't it?

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> >#10 ?

Shot in the dark here, but maybe some lessons from a top teacher/pro?  I mean
if Tiger Woods needs a golf teacher, maybe someone has something to teach you.

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Post by John Walku » Thu, 06 May 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


> > I play an above average game with no particular weak spots, but my game has
> > not been improving.

Sorry, I misread your post and thought you were a beginner.  Here is
what I would do:

1.  I would still download Indian and play it, as it will help break
clusters.

2.  If you don't play one-pocket, learn it.

3.  Start playing golf.

#1 and #2 I can deal with personally.  I don't want to play golf
because I find it to be a disease that takes over your afternoons
and turns you into a zombie.

--
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Post by Roger Ballenge » Thu, 06 May 1999 04:00:00

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>#10 Stay down and hold your finish position after the shot is completed.

After watching numerous pros play, I've noticed that the ones that do the
best are the most still AFTER the shot. I've also noticed that 90% of the
time, when a good pool player missed, he came up too early.

The Philippinos are VERY still, holding their finish position much longer
than the Americans. Top snooker players are almost religious about staying
down. They say that Steve Davis stays down the longest. Cuelemans is a 'hold
your position' poster child, he stays down practically till the balls stop
rolling, and this is in 3 cushion where the balls take several seconds to
stop rolling.

I find that if I hold my finish position until the balls stop rolling, or
until I must get out of the way of a rolling ball, my game improves
dramatically, especially on important, 'nerve racking' shots. When I don't
stay down, I mysteriously can't 'see' the shots and my game goes sour.

As an experiment, get down in your stance. Look straight down your cue.
Slowly stand up. Your cue will probably, if you are right handed, start
pointing further to the right the further you stand up. This is from the
unhinging of your upper body from the waist, pulling your shooting hand to
the left. If your bridge hand is still on the table, the cue tip must go to
the right. From my experience, most right handed players miss by overcutting
too far to the right, usually caused by this standing up during the shot.

So, stay down. If nothing else, it can't hurt your game.

Roger Ballenger

 
 
 

What are the Top 10 ways to improve your overall 8Ball game?

Post by sean gil » Thu, 06 May 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> What has worked best to raise your level of the game?
> #1  Practicing the drills found in the books/videos?

This has done the most good for me. As an example, I used to have a lot
of difficulty with shooting into the side pockets from different angles.
I started lining up those shots for practice and shooting them in. Once
I started making them, I increased the speed of my shot to develop
confidence in the angle. It only took a few days of this before my
success rate went up dramatically on these types of shots.

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> #2  Playing more games with other players?

Only if they make you focus more. I personally prefer playing people who
are better than me but that's not required for improving your game. The
key is playing people who make you focus.

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> #3  Shooting balls by yourself?

As long as you're focused on the task this will help. I think drills
give you some direction but not everybody needs structure to learn. I do
believe it's important that you set goals though and try to meet them.

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> #4  Watching better players shoot?

This can give you some ideas for how to play certain situations but the
only way you'll know how to actually shoot them is if you practice.

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> #5  Playing more on a large table, then returning to the bar table?

This seems to be a short term solution at best. I don't think this
method is treating the problem.

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> #6  Changing sticks?

Only if you don't like the one you have.

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> #7  Getting new glasses?

If you are having vision problems, you should correct them.  

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> #8  Changing tips?

Only if there's something wrong with the one you have.

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> #9   Getting more sleep the night before?

This is usually a good idea. I know I value my sleep.

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> #10 ?

Learn how to focus. I honestly believe any reasonably dexterous person
can develop the shot making skills of a champion with enough practice.
Technique by itself will not make you a champion. You need the mentality
of a winner to be one. Learning how to focus yourself on the task at
hand will make you learn more quickly and able to execute more
consistently.

regards,
sean

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Post by sean gil » Fri, 07 May 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> > >#9   Getting more sleep the night before?

> The best matches I ever shot were on the morning after being up until 5
> in the morning on my birthday, drinking heavily, and that big trophy was
> a nice added present.

> Not sure what this means.  :-)

> > >#10 ?

Heh, that reminds me. My best matches were when I was feeling absolutely
miserable with headache/cold/stomach problems. I barely could get the
motivation to even get to the pool hall. The only other time I played
that well , was for a brief period when my gf and I were separated.
We're together now of course. I think I'm doomed.

Regards,
sean

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Post by sam » Fri, 07 May 1999 04:00:00

Sean,  Sounds like you have quite an attachment to your GrandFather (gf).
Ha Ha  Sincerely, Sam
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>> > >#9   Getting more sleep the night before?

>> The best matches I ever shot were on the morning after being up until 5
>> in the morning on my birthday, drinking heavily, and that big trophy was
>> a nice added present.

>> Not sure what this means.  :-)

>> > >#10 ?

>Heh, that reminds me. My best matches were when I was feeling absolutely
>miserable with headache/cold/stomach problems. I barely could get the
>motivation to even get to the pool hall. The only other time I played
>that well , was for a brief period when my gf and I were separated.
>We're together now of course. I think I'm doomed.

>Regards,
>sean

>--

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>LHS Communications Systems, Inc.

 
 
 

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Post by TRATU » Fri, 07 May 1999 04:00:00

Besides those top ten previously mentioned, I think a concious effort to be
mentally prepared deserves some attention. I recommend the book
"Psycho-***netics" by Dr. Maxwell Maltz to help achieve optimal
mental preparedness before and during shooting pool.

KS
Orlando

 
 
 

What are the Top 10 ways to improve your overall 8Ball game?

Post by sam » Fri, 07 May 1999 04:00:00

Dear KS,  Don't let Fred hear you say that!  Ha Ha  Sincerely, Sam
Quote:

>Besides those top ten previously mentioned, I think a concious effort to be
>mentally prepared deserves some attention. I recommend the book
>"Psycho-***netics" by Dr. Maxwell Maltz to help achieve optimal
>mental preparedness before and during shooting pool.

>KS
>Orlando

 
 
 

What are the Top 10 ways to improve your overall 8Ball game?

Post by Christopher Lync » Sat, 08 May 1999 04:00:00

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> >#1  Practicing the drills found in the books/videos?
> >#2  Playing more games with other players?

I think this is very important.

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> >#3  Shooting balls by yourself?

This helps me get my stroke back if my shot feels wrong, and it helps me
build muscle memories if I make a change to my technique.  It's for
practicing the physical stuff, which IS important.

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> >#4  Watching better players shoot?

I'm a big fan of this, and I think it helps, to a point.  Once you have
the game pretty well nailed down, though, and you know what's possible
on a pool table, you need to work on execution and keep your head in it
so you can really see the potential moves three or four balls down the
line.  Watching other players doesn't really help much for this once you
know what to do.

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> >#5  Playing more on a large table, then returning to the bar table?

I hate doing this.  It's two different games.

I was playing in a tournament on a seven-footer the other day, and I was
reminded of how different a game it is.  On a bar box, you control the
table with draw and breakouts... the table is so cluttered that it's
very hard to carry around three rails to get to a shot.  You have to use
power draw, english off rails, or carom draw on some shots to get good
position, but position doesn't even matter much because the pockets are
buckets and the table is so damn small.

I think you should pick one kind of table to be good on, and practice
that.  My bar box game gets better with my big table game, but not
nearly as fast, and I'm ok with that.

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> >#6  Changing sticks?

Not sure if this helps or hinders.  I do like to know how much the
cueball will spin off a certain shot, and how much I can suck it back
with a given amount of draw.  I guess once you hit a certain level, you
have to have the same stick every time because you'll be doing
complicated english that has to be just right.  Just make sure that it
fits your game.

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> >#7  Getting new glasses?

Don't wear em.

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> >#8  Changing tips?

Tips are also very important.  Make sure they fit your game.

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> >#9   Getting more sleep the night before?

The best matches I ever shot were on the morning after being up until 5
in the morning on my birthday, drinking heavily, and that big trophy was
a nice added present.

Not sure what this means.  :-)

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> >#10 ?