8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

Post by Shar » Sun, 04 Aug 2002 21:41:28


I play at a decent level but i'm no pro ! i play people who are pretty
good but mistakes are made on both sides

When i go for a hard break, i get a ball in around 60% of the time.
I'm starting to play people who can punish me if i leave the balls
spread without potting anything

So my question is this

How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
in ?

what other breaking strategies are there ? i've been playing around
with soft breaks recently

 
 
 

8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

Post by Carter Adam » Sun, 04 Aug 2002 01:48:20

Sharky,

I'm in the same boat!  My guess is that we have a lot of company.

I too seem to get at least one ball in around 6 out of 10 breaks,
however, about 1 time out of those it includes the cue ball.  So, I'm
about 50% on staying at the table on my "power" breaks.  There is only
one pool hall within 10 miles of my house, so I usually play there and
know the "speed" of my opponents.  When I play a strong player, I use a
"soft" break and hope for some clusters.  But even on the "soft" break I
make a ball about 40% and hardly ever scratch (I'm thinking about going
to the "soft" break almost exclusively for my league matches).

I don't think anyone can guarantee getting a ball on the break - even
the pros don't do that every time even in 9-ball with the Sardo!

~Carter <- looking forward to this thread developing

Quote:

> I play at a decent level but i'm no pro ! i play people who are pretty
> good but mistakes are made on both sides

> When i go for a hard break, i get a ball in around 60% of the time.
> I'm starting to play people who can punish me if i leave the balls
> spread without potting anything

> So my question is this

> How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
> with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
> in ?

> what other breaking strategies are there ? i've been playing around
> with soft breaks recently


 
 
 

8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

Post by maf » Sun, 04 Aug 2002 02:30:30

You could break like they do in 14.1 straight pool and drive the minimum
number of balls to the cushion (it's two balls to the cushion in 14.1, but
not sure about 8 ball). Even if your opponent had a shot it would be
difficult to run the table. The biggest problem with this break strategy is
that you would probably be called a ***.


Quote:
> I play at a decent level but i'm no pro ! i play people who are pretty
> good but mistakes are made on both sides

> When i go for a hard break, i get a ball in around 60% of the time.
> I'm starting to play people who can punish me if i leave the balls
> spread without potting anything

> So my question is this

> How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
> with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
> in ?

> what other breaking strategies are there ? i've been playing around
> with soft breaks recently


 
 
 

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Post by maf » Sun, 04 Aug 2002 04:21:31

Just found the rules for 8 ball break, it's 4 balls to the cushion for a
legal break, so this strategy might be a little harder to perform
successfully.


Quote:
> You could break like they do in 14.1 straight pool and drive the minimum
> number of balls to the cushion (it's two balls to the cushion in 14.1, but
> not sure about 8 ball). Even if your opponent had a shot it would be
> difficult to run the table. The biggest problem with this break strategy
is
> that you would probably be called a ***.



> > I play at a decent level but i'm no pro ! i play people who are pretty
> > good but mistakes are made on both sides

> > When i go for a hard break, i get a ball in around 60% of the time.
> > I'm starting to play people who can punish me if i leave the balls
> > spread without potting anything

> > So my question is this

> > How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
> > with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
> > in ?

> > what other breaking strategies are there ? i've been playing around
> > with soft breaks recently

 
 
 

8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

Post by Shar » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 04:16:36

He Maf, can you elaborate a bit about this break ?

how to do it etc

cheers

Quote:

>You could break like they do in 14.1 straight pool and drive the minimum
>number of balls to the cushion (it's two balls to the cushion in 14.1, but
>not sure about 8 ball). Even if your opponent had a shot it would be
>difficult to run the table. The biggest problem with this break strategy is
>that you would probably be called a ***.



>> I play at a decent level but i'm no pro ! i play people who are pretty
>> good but mistakes are made on both sides

>> When i go for a hard break, i get a ball in around 60% of the time.
>> I'm starting to play people who can punish me if i leave the balls
>> spread without potting anything

>> So my question is this

>> How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
>> with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
>> in ?

>> what other breaking strategies are there ? i've been playing around
>> with soft breaks recently

 
 
 

8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

Post by Janie Watkin » Sun, 04 Aug 2002 06:39:27

why are you posting a pool post to a snooker newsgroup?


Quote:
> I play at a decent level but i'm no pro ! i play people who are pretty
> good but mistakes are made on both sides

> When i go for a hard break, i get a ball in around 60% of the time.
> I'm starting to play people who can punish me if i leave the balls
> spread without potting anything

> So my question is this

> How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
> with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
> in ?

> what other breaking strategies are there ? i've been playing around
> with soft breaks recently

 
 
 

8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

Post by Jim Whit » Sun, 04 Aug 2002 06:40:19

Never played 8 ball on a snooker table???

JIM


Quote:
> why are you posting a pool post to a snooker newsgroup?



> > I play at a decent level but i'm no pro ! i play people who are pretty
> > good but mistakes are made on both sides

> > When i go for a hard break, i get a ball in around 60% of the time.
> > I'm starting to play people who can punish me if i leave the balls
> > spread without potting anything

> > So my question is this

> > How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
> > with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
> > in ?

> > what other breaking strategies are there ? i've been playing around
> > with soft breaks recently

 
 
 

8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

Post by maf » Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:24:18

As I corrected myself in another post, the rules of 8 ball require 4 object
balls to hit the cushion during the break. In 14.1 (where only 2 object
balls need hit the cushion) this is usually accomplished by softly hitting
the left or right point of the rack and breaking off as few balls as
possible and still have a legal break. Unlike 9 ball, you don't need to hit
the head ball in the rack in 8 ball (but see below for APA rules).
Obviously, you would need to practice this to see if it can work
successfully in 8 ball with 4 balls hitting the cushion like it does in 14.1
Continuous play with only 2 balls hitting the cushion after the break, and
still leave your opponent with not much to shoot at.

Here is the definition of  a legal break in 8 ball according to BCA rules
www.bca-pool.com/play/ and Standardized World 8 Ball Rules
www.billiardworld.com/rls_8bl.html:

LEGAL BREAK SHOT (8 Ball)
(Defined) To execute a legal break, the breaker (with the cue ball behind
the head string) must either (1) pocket a ball, or (2) drive at least four
numbered balls to the rail. When the breaker fails to make a legal break, it
is a foul, and the incoming player has the option of (1) accepting the table
in position and shooting, or (2) having the balls re-racked and having the
option of shooting the opening break or allowing the offending player to
re-break.

However, I found a copy of the Official APA (American Poolplayers
Association)  8 Ball rules www.poolplayers.com/apa_rules.html and they say
the head ball or second ball must be hit by the cue ball during the break,
so make sure you know which rules you are playing by, and have a copy with
you when you play.

One other thing I would do is to try to get some tapes of professional 8
ball tournaments to see what they do. I believe that these are more
prevelent outside the USA.


Quote:
> He Maf, can you elaborate a bit about this break ?

> how to do it etc

> cheers


> >You could break like they do in 14.1 straight pool and drive the minimum
> >number of balls to the cushion (it's two balls to the cushion in 14.1,
but
> >not sure about 8 ball). Even if your opponent had a shot it would be
> >difficult to run the table. The biggest problem with this break strategy
is
> >that you would probably be called a ***.



> >> I play at a decent level but i'm no pro ! i play people who are pretty
> >> good but mistakes are made on both sides

> >> When i go for a hard break, i get a ball in around 60% of the time.
> >> I'm starting to play people who can punish me if i leave the balls
> >> spread without potting anything

> >> So my question is this

> >> How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
> >> with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
> >> in ?

> >> what other breaking strategies are there ? i've been playing around
> >> with soft breaks recently

 
 
 

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Post by Jack Stei » Sun, 04 Aug 2002 23:01:00

Quote:

> How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
> with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
> in ?

Use a Sardo rack on  new cloth and practice a little.  You will be
making the same balls in the same pockets in no time...

Of course, once you do that, everyone will want to change the game,
perhaps rack  the balls some where else on the table, or maybe make you
shoot the break from a different table in the back room or some such
nonsense...
--
http://jbstein.com

 
 
 

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Post by Dick Moec » Sun, 04 Aug 2002 23:21:48

An old roadie was watching me shoot one time and noticed I was continually
making nothing on the break. He recommended that I don't shoot so *** the
break. I lightened up and started making break balls left and right.

In breaking balls, harder is not always better. Rather than trying something
like safety breaking, (which is a defeatest attitude in my opinion), try
breaking from different spots and different speeds. Ever notice some guys who
can't even break as hard as your grandmother make balls on the break? Remember
the Cory Duel/Earl Strickland match a few years ago when Strickland forfeited?
He couldn't stand the fact Cory was pocketing balls on the break with his soft
break technique. Cory was smart enough to realize that table on that day called
for a lighter break shot. Incidentally, there is a time and place for safety
breaking so please don't get on your high horse.

Quote:
>Subject: Re: 8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?


>> How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
>> with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
>> in ?

Dick Moecia
www.GCABA.com
 
 
 

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Post by maf » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 00:27:02

I will admit that a "safety break" is a bit more difficult in 8 ball than in
14.1 Continuous (you need 4 balls to hit the cushion instead of just 2), but
the safety break is always used by 14.1 players and I would not call any of
them "defeatist".


Quote:
> An old roadie was watching me shoot one time and noticed I was continually
> making nothing on the break. He recommended that I don't shoot so ***
the
> break. I lightened up and started making break balls left and right.

> In breaking balls, harder is not always better. Rather than trying
something
> like safety breaking, (which is a defeatest attitude in my opinion), try
> breaking from different spots and different speeds. Ever notice some guys
who
> can't even break as hard as your grandmother make balls on the break?
Remember
> the Cory Duel/Earl Strickland match a few years ago when Strickland
forfeited?
> He couldn't stand the fact Cory was pocketing balls on the break with his
soft
> break technique. Cory was smart enough to realize that table on that day
called
> for a lighter break shot. Incidentally, there is a time and place for
safety
> breaking so please don't get on your high horse.

> >Subject: Re: 8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?


> >> How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
> >> with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
> >> in ?
>*** Moecia
> www.GCABA.com

 
 
 

8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

Post by Dick Moec » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 03:09:47

da .......... The subject is 8-ball - BREAKING - Strategies ? ( not straight
pool). Playing a safety break in 8-ball because you don't have a good break is
a defeatist attitude. Unless you're playing for a world title, it seems to me
if you're beating around with a friend or even in a match, you ought to try
different brakes with the intent on making balls and improving rather than
throwing in the towel by playing safety breaks.

.>Subject: Re: 8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

Quote:

>Date: 8/3/02 11:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time

>I will admit that a "safety break" is a bit more difficult in 8 ball than in
>14.1 Continuous (you need 4 balls to hit the cushion instead of just 2), but
>the safety break is always used by 14.1 players and I would not call any of
>them "defeatist".



>> An old roadie was watching me shoot one time and noticed I was continually
>> making nothing on the break. He recommended that I don't shoot so ***
>the
>> break. I lightened up and started making break balls left and right.

>> In breaking balls, harder is not always better. Rather than trying
>something
>> like safety breaking, (which is a defeatest attitude in my opinion), try
>> breaking from different spots and different speeds. Ever notice some guys
>who
>> can't even break as hard as your grandmother make balls on the break?
>Remember
>> the Cory Duel/Earl Strickland match a few years ago when Strickland
>forfeited?
>> He couldn't stand the fact Cory was pocketing balls on the break with his
>soft
>> break technique. Cory was smart enough to realize that table on that day
>called
>> for a lighter break shot. Incidentally, there is a time and place for
>safety
>> breaking so please don't get on your high horse.

>> >Subject: Re: 8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?


>> >> How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
>> >> with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
>> >> in ?
>>*** Moecia
>> www.GCABA.com

Dick Moecia
www.GCABA.com
 
 
 

8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

Post by maf » Mon, 05 Aug 2002 04:14:08

I believe that the original post mentioned that the people he was playing
against were usually running the table if he failed to make a ball on the
break. You don't learn much by watching your opponent run the table (except
perhaps to think about a way to prevent that from happening).


Quote:
> da .......... The subject is 8-ball - BREAKING - Strategies ? ( not
straight
> pool). Playing a safety break in 8-ball because you don't have a good
break is
> a defeatist attitude. Unless you're playing for a world title, it seems to
me
> if you're beating around with a friend or even in a match, you ought to
try
> different brakes with the intent on making balls and improving rather than
> throwing in the towel by playing safety breaks.

> .>Subject: Re: 8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

> >Date: 8/3/02 11:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time

> >I will admit that a "safety break" is a bit more difficult in 8 ball than
in
> >14.1 Continuous (you need 4 balls to hit the cushion instead of just 2),
but
> >the safety break is always used by 14.1 players and I would not call any
of
> >them "defeatist".

 
 
 

8Ball - BREAKING - Strategies ?

Post by Wease » Tue, 06 Aug 2002 00:17:23


Quote:
> He Maf, can you elaborate a bit about this break ?

> how to do it etc

hit the front ball full ball with a bit of top this should split the pack
slowly leaving the white imbedded in the pack with the front ball married
right up to it. Done at the right pace you will also drive most of the side
balls to cushions (hopefully) guarenteeing you another shot at the table :p
of course... not all breaks will break the same but this when done correctly
provides no shot/extremely awkward cueing/extremely hard shot for your
opponent
 
 
 

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Post by Bill » Tue, 06 Aug 2002 03:00:11

There is no way to guarantee that you will sink a ball every time you break,
but you could probably get you percentage up higher by moving the ball
position from where you currently break or just by using different types of
English on the cue ball.  When I used to play all the time ('bout 7 or 8
years ago) I learned a breaking technique now lost to me unfortunately.  It
allowed me to pocket a ball on the break and to set up either suit of balls
that I wanted to (example:  If I wanted to set up stripes, I did.)
Unfortunately I got a little***y about this new breaking technique and
would offer to my less skilled opponents to set up whatever balls they
wanted to play off the break, after a while people didn't want to play
anymore mainly due to the fact that I would beat them regardless of the
advantages I gave them.

The basic start position of the cue ball on the break shot was one diamond
over from the left and one diamond up from the end of the table, from there
the technique requires ball spin and the correct weight of stroke (shot is
played hard, ball spin is left and right with a little tops or bottoms
depending on if you go left or right)  the most critical point of this shot
however is that the rack be racked in the same manner every time (stripes &
solids all have to be in the same positions every time and the rack must be
tight or it will not work consistently)

Good luck & good shooting
Bill


Quote:
> I play at a decent level but i'm no pro ! i play people who are pretty
> good but mistakes are made on both sides

> When i go for a hard break, i get a ball in around 60% of the time.
> I'm starting to play people who can punish me if i leave the balls
> spread without potting anything

> So my question is this

> How can you increase your chances of getting a ball in off the break ?
> with variances in setup and tables, how can u guarantee getting a ball
> in ?

> what other breaking strategies are there ? i've been playing around
> with soft breaks recently