Talisman Tip

Talisman Tip

Post by Patrick Johnso » Mon, 20 Dec 1999 04:00:00


After installing my medium Talisman tip (provided free for a review), I
used it a little and reported it felt just like a Moori.  Just to be
sure, I put it aside after awhile and used my spare shaft with a Moori
medium on it, and then changed back to the Talisman.  It still feels
just like the Moori.  Same solid hit, same confidence with extreme
english.

But it's holding its shape much better than Mooris usually do for me.
It feels a little harder than the Moori mediums I get, so maybe this has
something to do with that, but the "hit" doesn't seem harder.  I haven't
had *any* mushrooming since installation, and I frequently juice up the
cue ball.

All in all, this is a high quality tip.  The only reservations I have
are:

1.    The tip delaminated some while being installed.  A couple of
layers "chipped off" during shaping on the lathe.  We've heard a few
reports of these tips delaminating.

2.    Judging from other reports, these tips may be inconsistent.  Some
mushroom, some don't, some delaminate, some don't, hardness varies, etc.

If I could be sure they'd all be like the one I've tried (minus the
delaminating), I'd keep using them.  I'll try them again if they're easy
to get.  I'll also try Hercules, which I hear good things about, and
maybe one or two others, to find a cheaper, consistent, readily
available alternative to Moori.

Pat Johnson
Chicago

 
 
 

Talisman Tip

Post by Jim Waug » Tue, 21 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> 1.    The tip delaminated some while being installed.  A couple of
> layers "chipped off" during shaping on the lathe.  We've heard a few
> reports of these tips delaminating.

  The problem is that you are shaping on a lathe.  This generates
too much heat and delaminates.  Do the shaping by hand.  Same goes
to sizing.  I use nothing but 14mm tips.  A solid tip is fine for
cutting even with the ferrule on a lathe.  You shouldn't do so with
a laminated tip.  It should be cut by hand or by using a device such
as the Willard's Tipper/Trimmer.

Jim W. (Quartsite, AZ)

 
 
 

Talisman Tip

Post by Paul J. Mo » Wed, 22 Dec 1999 04:00:00

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Quote:

>   The problem is that you are shaping on a lathe.  This generates
> too much heat and delaminates.  Do the shaping by hand.  Same goes
> to sizing.  I use nothing but 14mm tips.  A solid tip is fine for
> cutting even with the ferrule on a lathe.  You shouldn't do so with
> a laminated tip.  It should be cut by hand or by using a device such
> as the Willard's Tipper/Trimmer.

> Jim W. (Quartsite, AZ)

Jim,
        The Talisman (hard) that I shaped by hand delaminated 45 minutes after
I started using it.  The claim was that it was mishandled by the postal
services......Paul

 
 
 

Talisman Tip

Post by Von Hammac » Wed, 22 Dec 1999 04:00:00

I have had the exact opposite results with my Talisman medium.  It is
mushrooming 5 days after installation.  The hit is (was) pretty good, but
doesn't come close to a Moori.  I guess I got one of the bad ones.  My tip
feels softer than a Moori medium.


Quote:
> After installing my medium Talisman tip (provided free for a review), I
> used it a little and reported it felt just like a Moori.  Just to be
> sure, I put it aside after awhile and used my spare shaft with a Moori
> medium on it, and then changed back to the Talisman.  It still feels
> just like the Moori.  Same solid hit, same confidence with extreme
> english.

> But it's holding its shape much better than Mooris usually do for me.
> It feels a little harder than the Moori mediums I get, so maybe this has
> something to do with that, but the "hit" doesn't seem harder.  I haven't
> had *any* mushrooming since installation, and I frequently juice up the
> cue ball.

> All in all, this is a high quality tip.  The only reservations I have
> are:

> 1.    The tip delaminated some while being installed.  A couple of
> layers "chipped off" during shaping on the lathe.  We've heard a few
> reports of these tips delaminating.

> 2.    Judging from other reports, these tips may be inconsistent.  Some
> mushroom, some don't, some delaminate, some don't, hardness varies, etc.

> If I could be sure they'd all be like the one I've tried (minus the
> delaminating), I'd keep using them.  I'll try them again if they're easy
> to get.  I'll also try Hercules, which I hear good things about, and
> maybe one or two others, to find a cheaper, consistent, readily
> available alternative to Moori.

> Pat Johnson
> Chicago

 
 
 

Talisman Tip

Post by ted harri » Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> > 1.    The tip delaminated some while being installed.  A couple of
> > layers "chipped off" during shaping on the lathe.  We've heard a few
> > reports of these tips delaminating.

Jim W. wrote

Quote:
>   The problem is that you are shaping on a lathe.  This generates
> too much heat and delaminates.  Do the shaping by hand.  Same goes
> to sizing.  I use nothing but 14mm tips.  A solid tip is fine for
> cutting even with the ferrule on a lathe.  You shouldn't do so with
> a laminated tip.  It should be cut by hand or by using a device such
> as the Willard's Tipper/Trimmer.

Patrick & Jim,

The lathe is not the problem, it is the solution. The heat that is
caused when shaping is because the tool that is shaping the tip is in
contact with the tip to long, and is creating more friction, therefore
more heat. There are tools made to prevent this. The key here is for
the tip makers to have glue that will withstand more heat. That
particular feat has rarely been accomplished, and seems to be very hard
to do. I do not recommend doing any repair work by hand, as factually
hand work can not be as accurate as a machine. Once the tip is
installed, I do not reccommend using any hand tools on it other than a
tip-pik or a tapper. Use nothing that removes any material, only
displaces it for the purpose of holding chalk. Doing so would be
tantamount to insanity. Removing the material is the biggest factor in
wearing out a tip. When the tip needs to be shaped, return it to the
lathe.

Good luck,
--
Ted Harris
Ted Harris Custom Cues
website; http://www.tedharris.com
phone; (410)621-0700

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