why not 8-ball?

why not 8-ball?

Post by Ron Shepa » Sun, 29 Sep 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

> so... the pros don't play 8-ball, there are barely any 8-ball tournaments
> around (the only one i know of in chicago is in a distant suburb), the
> best most people have to say about it is "it's a good beginner's game",
> and i've heard considerably worse.

There is an active traveling BCA 8-ball league here in the Chicago area.
If you want good competition, get on one of these leagues.  You'll get to
play Larry Schwartz, Mike Bandy, Billy Incardona, Marco Marquez, and many
other good local players.

Also, the PBTA world championship 8-ball tournament is sometimes on TV.  I
think the one this year is scheduled to be on Prime (SportsChannel on
local cable around here) later this fall.

Quote:
> it seems like a remarkably subtle game to me; good mix of offensive and
> defensive play, [...]

Some people like it more than others.  I play on an 8-ball league, but I
really prefer 9-ball.  I think 8-ball is a lousey game for beginners
learning how to play; I think both the offense and the defense are too
easy technically.  There are some interesting tactical situations between
players of intermediate strength, but to me it is pretty boring when two
beginners play each other or when two pros play each other.  Watch the
championships on TV this year and see for yourself.

Quote:
> is it just tainted by association with bangers playing on lousy bar
> tables, or is 8-ball actually inappropriate for high-level play for
> some reason?

Bangers taint every game they play, 8-ball, 9-ball, whatever.  8-ball
seems to be their game of choice; many of them have never played another
game on a pool table (except maybe cutthroat, which is a worse game than
8-ball) and have never heard of 9-ball or 14.1.

Quote:
> i want to improve my game, and so i want to play in tournaments and
> against better players, but it seems like the only way to do that is
> to play 9-ball all the time...

If you want to improve your pool skills, then I think you should play
9-ball.  Look for some of the weekly handicaped local tournaments that
have good players, and enter some of the larger nonhandicaped local
tournaments or McDermott stops when you feel ready.  If you want to
improve your 8-ball tactics, then play opponents above your skill level.
There are lots of good players in the Chicago area.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

why not 8-ball?

Post by LAKOTA JEST » Mon, 30 Sep 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>so... the pros don't play 8-ball, there are barely any 8-ball tournaments
>around (the only one i know of in chicago is in a distant suburb), the
>best most people have to say about it is "it's a good beginner's game",
>and i've heard considerably worse.

>why?

>it seems like a remarkably subtle game to me; good mix of offensive and
>defensive play, lots of careful planning and execution required, not much
>randomness, rewards both shotmaking and strategy... and unlike 14.1 or
>one-pocket it's still fairly fast-moving. (not that i wouldn't love to
>play more 14.1, or learn to play one-pocket, but i can understand that
>they don't appeal to the MTV shortened-attention-span crowd.)

>is it just tainted by association with bangers playing on lousy bar
>tables, or is 8-ball actually inappropriate for high-level play for
>some reason?

>i want to improve my game, and so i want to play in tournaments and
>against better players, but it seems like the only way to do that is
>to play 9-ball all the time...

>alan

...hmmmmmmm, some players started out playing 8-ball, (some), and
then move on to other games. I did, and still play 8-ball; it's like
playing on an obstacle course and one gets a chance to bank, carom
and strategize; and what I do is play the stripes as an 8-ball game
using, and respotting the 9-ball, after dropping the 8-ball, and
then go directly into a 9-ball game with the solids where they sit.

This is my warm up before any tourneys, usually playing one rack
will do it.

...and remember

 
 
 

why not 8-ball?

Post by DWICHM.. » Tue, 01 Oct 1996 04:00:00

Quoting ajaffray from a message in rec.sport.billiard
 aj>i want to improve my game, and so i want to play in tournaments and
 aj>against better players, but it seems like the only way to do that is
 aj>to play 9-ball all the time...
Join a league.  I personally prefer the APA (and not just because I am now
a League Operator), but there are others, including the BCA and Valley
Leagues.  In the APA you can play both 8- and 9-Ball, team and singles, and
tournaments.  And we have the largest guaranteed purse for amateur players.

David Wichmann
Sunnyvale, CA

 
 
 

why not 8-ball?

Post by Red D » Tue, 01 Oct 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
> So how can I find out what leagues are active in my area?

One option is to go around to the local bars on a Wednesday night and
asking around to see if anybody knows of a bar with a team.  Then its as
simple as asking the captain or co-captain if they have any open spots.
Most teams are in a constant state of change so you just might be lucky
enough to get a spot relatively quickly.  Be warned though,  a team can
only add a new player within the first four weeks of the session. Ususally
there are three sessions per years averaging about 12-15 weeks per session.

Hope this helps

Red Dog

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why not 8-ball?

Post by Jeffrey Weis » Tue, 01 Oct 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>> it [8-ball] seems like a remarkably subtle game to me; good mix of offensive
>> and defensive play, [...]
> Some people like it more than others.  I play on an 8-ball league, but I
> really prefer 9-ball.  I think 8-ball is a lousey game for beginners
> learning how to play; I think both the offense and the defense are too
> easy technically.  There are some interesting tactical situations between
> players of intermediate strength, but to me it is pretty boring when two
> beginners play each other or when two pros play each other.  Watch the
> championships on TV this year and see for yourself.

I think this is a good point.  I think 8-ball is a great game for intermediate
players.  In fact, I feel as strongly about this as I feel that 9-ball is a
lousy game for intermediate (or lower) players.  I find it frustrating that
everyone that doesn't know how to play, and doesn't know any rules likes
8-ball, and everyone else wants to play only 9-ball.  At my level, I find
8-ball more enjoyable than lousy 9-ball, but outside of leagues, nobody knows
how to play the game.  I am now in two 14.1 weekly leagues, and want to balance
my game playing with a little of something else...maybe I'll try RSB rotation!

BTW, I say the Carter/Reyes finals last year, and my impression was that it was
similar in tone to a pro 9-ball match.  Similar in the frequency of runouts and
safety play.  Did the rest of the tournament give a different impression?
--
jw

 
 
 

why not 8-ball?

Post by DWICHM.. » Mon, 07 Oct 1996 04:00:00

 re>> So how can I find out what leagues are active in my area?
Write me an Email telling me what area and I will give the APA League
Operator's name.  Or call the APA at 1-800-3RACKEM.

David Wichmann
Sunnyvale, CA

David (The Wizard)