9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by DAVID_MAL.. » Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:00:00


I played some 9-ball with Brian (the Ice man) last week and really
enjoyed it. Strangely enough, I had never played it before because
everyone I normally play pool with only plays 8-Ball.

Comments... great game! I like it a lot. I found it easier than 8-ball
because it takes away a lot of the variables.  I sometimes feel
overwhelmed with 8-ball because there are just too many options
and opportunities for a beginner to get into trouble with bad position.
9-Ball is a simple game for simple-minded people like me - there is
always only one ball you can legally shoot - and you can either pocket
it looking for position on the next lowest ball or play safe. OK... you
can look for a carom or a way to sink the 9 ball as well, but that's
about it. Oh, and sinking the 9 ball on the break is a much better
proposition than in 8-ball. Any chump can play this game (he said
trying to be controversial)*.

Now, don't infer from this that I was (or ever will be) any good at it.
Brian broke and ran the table on me at least once (of course he's
only been playing since Xmas - right John?) and any games I won
were complete flukes. But, strategy wise, it struck me as about as
basic as you can get in a pool game. It's pretty unforgiving if you
make a mistake, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

David Malone.

* Look at my FARGO scores if you think I presume to know what I'm
talking about... (grin)

 
 
 

9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by Jtic » Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Didn't really read the whole thing but I have found that eight ball is
forgiving in that if you miss position on a ball frequently you wind up with a
good shot on another.  In nine ball you do not have that option.  In nine ball
though the table isn't as cluttered making it easier to weave through traffic,
there are fewer clusters to deal with.  I enjoy both games immensely.  

 
 
 

9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by p_conra » Wed, 26 Apr 2000 04:00:00

If you and your opponent are both really bad players, 9-Ball can
seem easier because anybody can win by getting the 9-ball.
Also, it allows slop which amatuers seem to love even though
itnever really amounts to much over the long haul.  If there is
a skill gap between weak players, the weaker player never
get's "in the hole" in the same way as in 8-Ball.  Anytime you
get a turn, you could possibly win with a single shot.  With 8-
Ball there's a kind of automatic handicap as the losing player's
balls block the better players shots.

There are also a lot of interesting ways to handicap 9-ball that
just don't exist in 8-ball.  You can give your opponent the last
3 which means he could win by pocketing the 7, 8, or 9 nine but
only if they are the last ones on the table.  Or you can give a
guy the 8 and the 9 which means he can combo the 8 or 9 in for
an early win.  There's even ways to gamble with more than two
people playing 9-Ball, that I don't even begin to understand.

The strategy of 9-Ball is all in constructing your run out and
snookering your opponent.  If you think in the terms that you
should run every rack from the break without letting your
opponent shoot it is a very complex game.  When you do have to
give your opponent a turn you want to force him to give you ball-
in-hand whenever possible.  By being a rotation game, it really
encourages wild shots, jumps and other extreme measures to get a
turn at the table when you are playing at a high skill level.
In general, 9-Ball is faster and wilder than 8-Ball, but it
involves as much, if not more, strategy.

They are both great games, but I wouldn't say 9-Ball is easier;
inevitably it's harder.

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9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by DAVID_MAL.. » Wed, 26 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>The strategy of 9-Ball is all in constructing your run out and
>snookering your opponent.  If you think in the terms that you
>should run every rack from the break without letting your
>opponent shoot it is a very complex game.  

I think most good 8-ball players think in those terms also. I'd
suggest that 8-ball is more difficult to break and run than 9-ball
(anyone got any statistics that would support or refute that?).

Quote:
>They are both great games, but I wouldn't say 9-Ball is easier;
>inevitably it's harder.

Let me guess... you're a 9-ball player (grin)?

David Malone.

 
 
 

9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by p_conra » Wed, 26 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
>Let me guess... you're a 9-ball player (grin)?

Yeah, big time.

Consider this:  If you are playing 8-Ball, run 6 balls off the
break and then choke, you'll probably win anyway, but if you
***after 6 balls in 9-ball, you will probably lose.

Although it MAY be harder to break and run out in 8-Ball (which
I'm NOT conceeding) the peanalties for botching a run are much
more severe in 9-Ball.

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9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by Derek R » Wed, 26 Apr 2000 04:00:00

On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:28:41 -0700, p_conrad

Quote:

>Consider this:  If you are playing 8-Ball, run 6 balls off the
>break and then choke, you'll probably win anyway, but if you
>***after 6 balls in 9-ball, you will probably lose.

Hell, no!  If you run 6 balls off the break and ***in 8-ball, you
will ALWAYS lose against a good player.  If he finds any difficulty in
running his own out with yours out of the way (not likely), he will
just play safe behind all his own balls and make you take wild kicks
at your last one.  In general, you should NEVER build up a huge "ball
lead" on your opponent unless you are going to run out, because
failing to run out at that point is invariably loss-of-game.

I don't think 9-ball and 8-ball can be directly compared like this.
9-ball is a game that places enormous focus on shotmaking and "line"
shape - getting on the right side of the ball matters a lot, whereas
precise shape isn't usually that necessary.  8-ball places enormous
focus on strategy and precision shape - often, to run out from the
break, you'll have to set the cue ball down literally on a dime to
deal with a problem ball.

Quote:
>Although it MAY be harder to break and run out in 8-Ball (which
>I'm NOT conceeding) the peanalties for botching a run are much
>more severe in 9-Ball.

The break becomes very important in 8-ball.  It's worth noting that
8-ball is a very good game on a 7-foot table, because stuff is always
tied up -- but is much easier to break and run repeatedly on a
9-footer.  9-ball, though, is extremely good on a 9-footer (precision
shotmaking REQUIRED at long distances), but can be a real joke on a
bar box (multiple break and runs in a row anyone?  When you can make 4
on the break, it's not tough...)

-- Derek

Deafness never kept composers from hearing the music.
It only stopped them hearing the distractions.

 
 
 

9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by DAVID_MAL.. » Wed, 26 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>Consider this:  If you are playing 8-Ball, run 6 balls off the
>break and then choke, you'll probably win anyway,

Not very likely. You've taken away any blocking balls so it's
simply a matter of straight pool, plus he has extra balls to
play a safety behind if he does get into trouble. In fact, I'd
say the opposite is generally true.

Quote:
>but if you
>***after 6 balls in 9-ball, you will probably lose.

Agreed.

Quote:
>Although it MAY be harder to break and run out in 8-Ball (which
>I'm NOT conceeding) the peanalties for botching a run are much
>more severe in 9-Ball.

Possibly. Depends on the level of competition, I suppose, and how
many balls you made before you scratched in the 8-ball. This is one
of those arguments that will never be resolved to everyone's
satisfaction...

David Malone.

 
 
 

9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by Mountain Mike^ » Wed, 26 Apr 2000 04:00:00

you are > Not very likely.

Sorry, David, but Derek is absolutely correct about this. Let's say you're
playing APA against a 5, 6, or 7. You break and run to one ball or maybe 2
and the eight. You are definitely screwed! Screwed because a decent player
doesn't *have* to run the table to win. He simply has to out think you a bit
regarding strategy. I do this all the time. I run till I get out of shape a
little. THEN, I lock you up tighter than a bullfrog's ass. You either give
me ball in hand, or maybe you actually hit your ball. No problem, I do it
again and again till I get BIH and you lose. Running out with only 2 balls
in the way is almost a lead pipe cinch for a good 8-ball player on a bar
box. MM^^

 
 
 

9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by gideon_ » Wed, 26 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Quote:


>Consider this:  If
>you are > Not very likely.

>Sorry, David, but Derek is absolutely correct about this.

Mike, go back and re-read Dave's post.  You are agreeing with
him, not Derek.

Regards,

Gideon

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9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by Jeff Hutte » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

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Quote:
> I think most good 8-ball players think in those terms also. I'd
> suggest that 8-ball is more difficult to break and run than 9-ball
> (anyone got any statistics that would support or refute that?).

No statistics, but some anecdotal evidence: I can't count the number
of times I've broke and run in 8-ball, but have only managed a few
in 9-ball, and this is during a time when most of my play was 9-ball
(in a league).  (Both games played on 9-foot tables.)

Basically, I'm disappointed any night that I don't break and run in
8-ball, but have no such expectation in 9-ball.

I think it comes down to being able to choose the easiest set of balls
after the break and having choices on all but the last two in 8-ball.

Jeff

 
 
 

9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by George Rutherfo » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>Consider this:  If you are playing 8-Ball, run 6 balls off the
>break and then choke, you'll probably win anyway, but if you
>***after 6 balls in 9-ball, you will probably lose.

You're mistaken about 8-ball, but right about 9-ball, IMHO. In 8-ball, you
should always leave at least one at each end if you can't get out and lock
the other guy up as best you can. Even then, you're probably hosed.
Leaving the other guy with all 8 while you have only one or two is a loss
with a decent player; it makes it real easy to get around. When I see
someone running on me and starting to get out of shape, I start to drool
(I know it's ugly, but I can't help it).

George

 
 
 

9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by DCB » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Nine ball is for bangers...
Hey, Paul Newman said it, I'm just repeating it!


Quote:

> >Let me guess... you're a 9-ball player (grin)?

> Yeah, big time.

> Consider this:  If you are playing 8-Ball, run 6 balls off the
> break and then choke, you'll probably win anyway, but if you
> ***after 6 balls in 9-ball, you will probably lose.

> Although it MAY be harder to break and run out in 8-Ball (which
> I'm NOT conceeding) the peanalties for botching a run are much
> more severe in 9-Ball.

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9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by Ice » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

It's true damnit! Since Christmas i tells ya.

....that bank combo was just luck.

I doubt we were both on our best games that night, be it the beer, new
cloth, hyperactive dog, humidity or all of the above, we had our
moments.

....some advice, don't ever let Dave talk you into playing darts. He'll
let you win the first game and then hit treble twenties like a man
possessed. (He's english don'tcha know?)

-bri

Quote:
> Now, don't infer from this that I was (or ever will be) any good at it.
> Brian broke and ran the table on me at least once (of course he's
> only been playing since Xmas - right John?) and any games I won
> were complete flukes.

 
 
 

9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by DAVID_MAL.. » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

>.....some advice, don't ever let Dave talk you into playing darts. He'll
>let you win the first game and then hit treble twenties like a man
>possessed. (He's english don'tcha know?)

Dammit, Brian... that's the way I get my money back after losing it
playing pool with all of you guys. I just casually suggest we play
a few games of darts for a change of pace...

Thanks a whole bunch for letting the cat out of the bag (grin).

David Malone.

 
 
 

9-Ball easier than 8-Ball?

Post by Keith » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Agreed, unless you are confident that you can run out, never sink more
then 3 or 4 balls on your first run.  Its also a good idea to look for
opportunities to nudge your opponents balls together.  8 ball requires
much more thinking and planning and strategy.  9 ball requires slightly
better position play and knowledge of rail shots IMHO.
Quote:
> should always leave at least one at each end if you can't get out and lock
> the other guy up as best you can. Even then, you're probably hosed.
> Leaving the other guy with all 8 while you have only one or two is a loss
> with a decent player; it makes it real easy to get around. When I see
> someone running on me and starting to get out of shape, I start to drool
> (I know it's ugly, but I can't help it).

> George