Valley Forge, Random Thoughts

Valley Forge, Random Thoughts

Post by Fred Agn » Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Just got back from Valley Forge.  Unfortunately, I didn't have an
extra phone line, so I couldn't post this weekend.  I suppose I
could've went out and bought one, but I didn't have the time.

I got a reality check on what other pool lover's level of pool
fanaticism is.  Sometimes I assume everyone knows every pro player's,
cuemaker's, table manufacturer's, casemaker's name.  They don't.

I met a guy who knew nothing of the WPBA and their players, though the
tournament was happening within breathing distance.  Ironically, he
was playing in the tournament for the  Association of POOL, an
organization that *I* have never heard of.  

I bought one of the Jacksonville Project tapes off of Jim Buss.  When
people asked me what tape I bought, I'd just answer "the Jacksonville
Tape".  Blank stares were common.  Why would they know?

I met many RSBers including Ken "Chicken Wing" Bour.  Ken's enthusiasm
for the Happy Hopper jump stick  almost matched my enthusiasm for
Gerda Hofstatter's Sunday matches.  Ken must have thought I was a real
whacko;  I am whacko, Ken.

Speaking of jump cues, I think I may have to reevaluate my position on
those ***s.  I saw "the Dart", a short  fat shaft with a 4" or so
handle. Total length was probably less than 30".  Little children
could jump with this thing.  Many of the WPBA players use it or the
Frog.  In one of the televised matches, Gerda jumped over a ball that
couldn't have been 1" away with a Dart-like cue.  Karen Corr used a
snooker-style bridge stoke with hers, and used it very well.  

After looking at some of those fine cues (Wayne, Samsara, Dishaw,
Pechauer, Black, etc., etc.,) I just want to burn my sticks.  

John Collins was extremely enthusiastic about his product.  You sold
me John.  I'm going to buy one of yours.

I can't begin to describe how amazing the women played on Sunday.  The
earlier rounds on Saturday were a bit of a snoozer at times, but they
brought the whole package on Sunday.  You talk about runouts, I don't
thing Jeannette or Gerda missed a ball in their set.  Allison had 3
break and runs in the finals; Gerda had a double against Lee, and
closed out Corr with a double.  Who says multiples are "rare"?  

Ken Bour and I were in direct line with the ESPN cameras, so maybe
we'll get to be TV stars for a few minutes.

To all the others I met, I'm sorry I didn't hang and chat.  I had a TV
thing...

Regards,

Fred Agnir
Templeton, MA

 
 
 

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Post by Ryan She » Tue, 23 Mar 1999 04:00:00

There were three bad shots out of thir*** games between Gerda and Lee.  I
couldn't imagine a better match.  It was worth my money (right Mr. Bour).

Ryan Shea


Quote:
> Just got back from Valley Forge.  Unfortunately, I didn't have an
> extra phone line, so I couldn't post this weekend.  I suppose I
> could've went out and bought one, but I didn't have the time.

> I got a reality check on what other pool lover's level of pool
> fanaticism is.  Sometimes I assume everyone knows every pro player's,
> cuemaker's, table manufacturer's, casemaker's name.  They don't.

> I met a guy who knew nothing of the WPBA and their players, though the
> tournament was happening within breathing distance.  Ironically, he
> was playing in the tournament for the  Association of POOL, an
> organization that *I* have never heard of.

> I bought one of the Jacksonville Project tapes off of Jim Buss.  When
> people asked me what tape I bought, I'd just answer "the Jacksonville
> Tape".  Blank stares were common.  Why would they know?

> I met many RSBers including Ken "Chicken Wing" Bour.  Ken's enthusiasm
> for the Happy Hopper jump stick  almost matched my enthusiasm for
> Gerda Hofstatter's Sunday matches.  Ken must have thought I was a real
> whacko;  I am whacko, Ken.

> Speaking of jump cues, I think I may have to reevaluate my position on
> those ***s.  I saw "the Dart", a short  fat shaft with a 4" or so
> handle. Total length was probably less than 30".  Little children
> could jump with this thing.  Many of the WPBA players use it or the
> Frog.  In one of the televised matches, Gerda jumped over a ball that
> couldn't have been 1" away with a Dart-like cue.  Karen Corr used a
> snooker-style bridge stoke with hers, and used it very well.

> After looking at some of those fine cues (Wayne, Samsara, Dishaw,
> Pechauer, Black, etc., etc.,) I just want to burn my sticks.

> John Collins was extremely enthusiastic about his product.  You sold
> me John.  I'm going to buy one of yours.

> I can't begin to describe how amazing the women played on Sunday.  The
> earlier rounds on Saturday were a bit of a snoozer at times, but they
> brought the whole package on Sunday.  You talk about runouts, I don't
> thing Jeannette or Gerda missed a ball in their set.  Allison had 3
> break and runs in the finals; Gerda had a double against Lee, and
> closed out Corr with a double.  Who says multiples are "rare"?

> Ken Bour and I were in direct line with the ESPN cameras, so maybe
> we'll get to be TV stars for a few minutes.

> To all the others I met, I'm sorry I didn't hang and chat.  I had a TV
> thing...

> Regards,

> Fred Agnir
> Templeton, MA


 
 
 

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Post by Deno J. Andrew » Wed, 24 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> Ken Bour and I were in direct line with the ESPN cameras, so maybe
> we'll get to be TV stars for a few minutes.

It is too bad we didn't meet out there...I was sitting in the same place
all day Sunday.  I was sitting right behind the player table in the
corner in the front.  I was the goofy looking one wearing a bright
yellow shirt with the magenta Versace.  I actually had fun watching pool
for a few days...maybe one of these days, I will give it a go.
Deno J. Andrews

 
 
 

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Post by POOL REB » Wed, 24 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>It is too bad we didn't meet out there...I was sitting in the same place
>all day Sunday.  I was sitting right behind the player table in the
>corner in the front.  I was the goofy looking one wearing a bright
>yellow shirt with the magenta Versace.  I actually had fun watching pool
>for a few days...maybe one of these days, I will give it a go.
>Deno J. Andrews

Yo Deno was that really you!  I should of guessed but It never crossed my mind
that you would be there.  I was sitting right behind you in the 2nd row trying
to figure out why I though I knew you.  Duh, Now I know. Iguess the colors
should have tipped me off but they didn't. I'll remmember next year if you are
there.

Jay G

 
 
 

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Post by Fred Agn » Wed, 24 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>>It is too bad we didn't meet out there...I was sitting in the same place
>>all day Sunday.  I was sitting right behind the player table in the
>>corner in the front.  I was the goofy looking one wearing a bright
>>yellow shirt with the magenta Versace.  I actually had fun watching pool
>>for a few days...maybe one of these days, I will give it a go.
>>Deno J. Andrews

>Yo Deno was that really you!  I should of guessed but It never crossed my mind
>that you would be there.  I was sitting right behind you in the 2nd row trying
>to figure out why I though I knew you.  Duh, Now I know. Iguess the colors
>should have tipped me off but they didn't. I'll remmember next year if you are
>there.

>Jay G

Me too!  I was looking for Deno at the Lambros booth, and never saw
him.  Since I had no idea what Deno looked like, I guess I didn't make
the connection either.  All I  was thinking was, "wow look at that
loud sports jacket!"  Ken Bour and I were sitting within spitting
distance of him.

Regards,

Fred Agnir
Templeton, MA

 
 
 

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Post by Deno J. Andrew » Wed, 24 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> >Yo Deno was that really you!  I should of guessed but It never crossed my mind
> >that you would be there.  I was sitting right behind you in the 2nd row trying
> >to figure out why I though I knew you.  Duh, Now I know. Iguess the colors
> >should have tipped me off but they didn't. I'll remmember next year if you are
> >there.

> >Jay G

> Me too!  I was looking for Deno at the Lambros booth, and never saw
> him.  Since I had no idea what Deno looked like, I guess I didn't make
> the connection either.  All I  was thinking was, "wow look at that
> loud sports jacket!"  Ken Bour and I were sitting within spitting
> distance of him.

That was really me.  I was the only one in the crowd snapping instead of clapping
when a good shot or game was made.  I guess it didn't really catch on...but that's
how us billiardists clap or show appreciation.  Anyway, Lambros told me Bour was
looking for me...I guess our paths didn't cross in time at the show...maybe next
time.  Anyway, I had much of fun and actually learned some things about
pool...maybe I will quit billiards and take up pool!  NOT (but I may try from time
to time).
Deno
 
 
 

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Post by newag » Wed, 24 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:


> >>It is too bad we didn't meet out there...I was sitting in the same place
> >>all day Sunday.  I was sitting right behind the player table in the
> >>corner in the front.  I was the goofy looking one wearing a bright
> >>yellow shirt with the magenta Versace.  I actually had fun watching pool
> >>for a few days...maybe one of these days, I will give it a go.
> >>Deno J. Andrews

> >Yo Deno was that really you!  I should of guessed but It never crossed my mind
> >that you would be there.  I was sitting right behind you in the 2nd row trying
> >to figure out why I though I knew you.  Duh, Now I know. Iguess the colors
> >should have tipped me off but they didn't. I'll remmember next year if you are
> >there.

> >Jay G

> Me too!  I was looking for Deno at the Lambros booth, and never saw
> him.  Since I had no idea what Deno looked like, I guess I didn't make
> the connection either.  All I  was thinking was, "wow look at that
> loud sports jacket!"  Ken Bour and I were sitting within spitting
> distance of him.

> Regards,

> Fred Agnir
> Templeton, MA

Guys Guys, I wish I knew who you were, I'd have tried to say hello.  I
was in a linen suit and with my  ***age girlfriend
with-the-wandering-eye-I can't remember what she was wearing (she'll
give me hell when she reads this).  I know she was looking for Fred and
Deno (we stopped by the Lambros booth).  Deno-get this:the guy next to
me told me that you were Gerda's brother!

                                      Tony D

 
 
 

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Post by Fred Agn » Wed, 24 Mar 1999 04:00:00

On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:55:57 -0600, "Deno J. Andrews"

Quote:

>That was really me.  I was the only one in the crowd snapping instead of clapping
>when a good shot or game was made.  I guess it didn't really catch on...but that's
>how us billiardists clap or show appreciation.  Anyway, Lambros told me Bour was
>looking for me...I guess our paths didn't cross in time at the show...maybe next
>time.  Anyway, I had much of fun and actually learned some things about
>pool...maybe I will quit billiards and take up pool!  NOT (but I may try from time
>to time).

I could swear that when you were cheering for Gerda, you were cheering
in another language.  Were you?

Regards,

Fred Agnir
Templeton, MA

 
 
 

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Post by Deno J. Andrew » Wed, 24 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Fred Agnir wrote
I could swear that when you were cheering for Gerda, you were cheering

Nope...it was English.  But I rarely said a word...I was mostly snapping...which in
those rings IS another language.
Deno

 
 
 

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Post by Stretc » Thu, 25 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Wow!  All you guys*** out at Lambros' booth and him with no cues left to
sell after the very first day!  Guess y'all heard how those crazy Japanese
bought up just about all of his cues almost before he could unpack them.  I'm
amazed that I didn't run into any of you guys.  Tiny and I were back and forth
to Mike's booth just about the entire weekend.  I heard some rumblings to the
effect of somebody wanting to fine him because he didn't display any cues.
Hope that was just a rumor.

Stretch
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Post by John Colli » Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>John Collins was extremely enthusiastic about his product.  You sold
>me John.  I'm going to buy one of yours.

Thanks Fred, (I really thought you would have been older 8->> )

And thanks to all the RSB'ers who stopped by.

Some things I learned;

JimboCT knows his cues, can buy what he wants and probably does not get
thumped on the nose very often (at least "I" wouldnt try!).

Jessica Wu and J.R. Calvert said that they are willing to swear on a bible
that Falcon cues are wholly made in Canada and Alligatorman Joe was there to
witness it.

To my relief we almost sold out and not one person came up to our booth and
said "gee those look like Porper cases". ;->>

Once again I sadly saw nothing of the Pro event or the Skins game which were
probably pretty exciting.

I met cuemakers Chris Nitti and Pete Ohmen from Florida and after playing
with their cues a bit I really like the hit and the workmanship and the
guys.  Being new to the show I dont know if they did so well but I believe
that when these guys work starts getting out of Florida they will have more
than they can handle.

We had a great time with Jerry Pechauer who builds in my opinion the
absolute finest custom and production series available.  Jerry is so
positive and proactive that I get high being around him.  Thanks for the
help Jerry.

We were next to Winning Garb and as usual we couldnt help getting more
great pool clothes, which my fiance promptly claimed. Just Kidding Honey,
really...

Got to finally tear a BENTLEY cue case apart and to my relief they are even
worse than I thought.  A borrowed name and borrowed look do not a happy
customer make.

I believe that this show had the most cues that I have ever seen in one
place by so many different artists.  Once again I stand in awe of the
creativity in cuemaking.

I saw a new casemaker, New York Cases, and the stuff looks really neat.  I
hope they do well.

Dan Whittens cases were perfect as always - I dont think any of us can get
close to that level of sheer elegance in a case.

Stealth Cues was right across from us with oversized cues which they
couldnt stop the customers from buying (we got three) and some really neat
cookie jars with pool ball lids among other motives.

I was really proud to introduce my fiance' to my friends and customers and
in turn be introduced to her friends as well.  For those of you who dont
know it yet I am engaged to be married.  Jayne Rowley of Loveland Colorado
has chosen me to be her husband.  Our date is July 16th at the BCA EXPO in
Las Vegas!

I met Greg Savoie and his wife from the Billiard Warehouse.  These two are
DEDICATED to the pool supply business.  Put them on the short list of shops
to consider when looking for products.

I guess that is really all I have to say right now.  Thanks again to
everybody who stopped by and for everyone who bought something from us I
hope we meet again in a year and you can say we did you right.

Take care and stay Instroke!

John Collins

 
 
 

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Post by Greg Savoi » Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>Wow!  All you guys*** out at Lambros' booth and him with no cues left
to
>sell after the very first day!  Guess y'all heard how those crazy Japanese
>bought up just about all of his cues almost before he could unpack them.
I'm
>amazed that I didn't run into any of you guys.  Tiny and I were back and
forth
>to Mike's booth just about the entire weekend.  I heard some rumblings to
the
>effect of somebody wanting to fine him because he didn't display any cues.
>Hope that was just a rumor.

I was lucky enough to pick up four Lambros Cues.   I had him send me three
the week of the show ( I had been waiting for them for about 4 months), and
I picked up the fourth.  He's making some amazing cues, and very reasonable
for the money.   He has been selling out like this for just about every
show.

I'm only selling three of the Lambros cues I picked up.  My wife claimed the
fourth!

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Quote:

>Wow!  All you guys*** out at Lambros' booth and him with no cues left
to
>sell after the very first day!  Guess y'all heard how those crazy Japanese
>bought up just about all of his cues almost before he could unpack them.
I'm
>amazed that I didn't run into any of you guys.  Tiny and I were back and
forth
>to Mike's booth just about the entire weekend.  I heard some rumblings to
the
>effect of somebody wanting to fine him because he didn't display any cues.
>Hope that was just a rumor.

>Stretch
>http://SportToday.org/~dmheisk

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Post by Fred Agn » Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:

>>John Collins was extremely enthusiastic about his product.  You sold
>>me John.  I'm going to buy one of yours.

>Thanks Fred, (I really thought you would have been older 8->> )

I am older, I just look like I'm 20 or less. I'm 32.  Is that young?
My eloquent language must have passed me for 50 or 60.

Quote:

>JimboCT knows his cues, can buy what he wants and probably does not get
>thumped on the nose very often (at least "I" wouldnt try!).

You can say that again.

Quote:

>I saw a new casemaker, New York Cases, and the stuff looks really neat.  I
>hope they do well.

As long as you don't keep ripping the cases apart and showing your
customers, I'm sure they'll do alright ;-)

Quote:
>Take care and stay Instroke!

Blatant ad.  How dare ye.

Regards,

Fred Agnir
Templeton, MA

 
 
 

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Post by John Colli » Sat, 27 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:


>>>John Collins was extremely enthusiastic about his product.  You sold
>>>me John.  I'm going to buy one of yours.

>>Thanks Fred, (I really thought you would have been older 8->> )

>I am older, I just look like I'm 20 or less. I'm 32.  Is that young?
>My eloquent language must have passed me for 50 or 60.

I really would have guessed 40s at least from your net demeanor.  Just goes
to show the power of communication.  Maybe we will all learn to be more
meaningful and less shallow if we can get past thinking that someones
"looks" or "age" is their character.

I guess with the net we can really almost telepathically communicate without
hampering appearances.  Kinda cool if you think about it.

Quote:

>>I saw a new casemaker, New York Cases, and the stuff looks really neat.  I
>>hope they do well.

>As long as you don't keep ripping the cases apart and showing your
>customers, I'm sure they'll do alright ;-)

Well lets not go there - lets just say that if someone wants to bake a
cake that looks like mine they better be ready for the taste test.

I thought the NY Case guy(whose name I cannot recall right now), really had
some cool original cases.  I suppose that the customers will let him know
if his stuff is ready for the market or not.

Quote:

>>Take care and stay Instroke!

>Blatant ad.  How dare ye.

Nah that was just a small infraction - a big one would be, "now boys and
girls remember to drink your milk and eat your vegetables so you can grow up
and be stable and strong just like an Instroke case."

Ciao,

John