Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by Joseph Whale » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 11:55:46


Does anyone know why professional women such a Karen Corr, Allison Fisher,
Ewa Mataya Lawrence, Greta H. , Vivian , etc.. don't play against male
professionals such as Johnny Archer, Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, etc ??
Why don't they play for big money on ESPN against each other?

What does the sex of a person have to do with how well they play? Power
doesn't always win you the games.

Who would win in a big money tournament if it was :  Male - vs - Female  ??

Just Curious!

Thanks

Sincerely,
Joe Whalen

pool billiard and snooker fan.

 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by Otto » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 12:26:22

Because they are not nearly as good.

Otto


Quote:
> Does anyone know why professional women such a Karen Corr, Allison Fisher,
> Ewa Mataya Lawrence, Greta H. , Vivian , etc.. don't play against male
> professionals such as Johnny Archer, Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, etc ??


 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by Tom » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 13:45:22

Karen Corr does (or did) play on men's tour with player's much less
accomplished than the ones you've mentioned and she's never come close to
winning a tournament.


Quote:
> Does anyone know why professional women such a Karen Corr, Allison Fisher,
> Ewa Mataya Lawrence, Greta H. , Vivian , etc.. don't play against male
> professionals such as Johnny Archer, Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, etc ??
> Why don't they play for big money on ESPN against each other?

> What does the sex of a person have to do with how well they play? Power
> doesn't always win you the games.

> Who would win in a big money tournament if it was :  Male - vs - Female
??

> Just Curious!

> Thanks

> Sincerely,
> Joe Whalen

> pool billiard and snooker fan.


 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by yung w » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:36:09

Quote:

> Because they are not nearly as good.

> Otto



> > Does anyone know why professional women such a Karen Corr, Allison Fisher,
> > Ewa Mataya Lawrence, Greta H. , Vivian , etc.. don't play against male
> > professionals such as Johnny Archer, Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, etc ??

i think it would be possible because pool is not really a physical
sport... nothing physically suggests that men are better pool players
than women..
 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by Mark Maxe » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:15:09

I would say its due to ratings.  This may sound sexist, but I really don't
care.  Women's pool has a certain novelty to it that just isn't there with
the men.

Karen Corr etc is welcome to go and play at tournaments like the derby city,
but they just don't care.

Speaking of which are there any strong female one pocket players?


Quote:
> Does anyone know why professional women such a Karen Corr, Allison Fisher,
> Ewa Mataya Lawrence, Greta H. , Vivian , etc.. don't play against male
> professionals such as Johnny Archer, Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, etc ??
> Why don't they play for big money on ESPN against each other?

> What does the sex of a person have to do with how well they play? Power
> doesn't always win you the games.

> Who would win in a big money tournament if it was :  Male - vs - Female
??

> Just Curious!

> Thanks

> Sincerely,
> Joe Whalen

> pool billiard and snooker fan.

 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by RIP » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 22:27:29

Quote:

> Karen Corr does (or did) play on men's tour with player's much less
> accomplished than the ones you've mentioned and she's never come close to
> winning a tournament.

   I believe you mean the Joss Northeast Tour.I watched Karen last
year play in an event in Providence with a very strong field of 70
players.There were players such as Immonen,Zuglan,Sambajon,San
Souci,Hopkins.Lisciotti etc.She came in 2nd in that tournament,I would
say that is close to winning.And a side note,I watched Karen playing
Mika Immonen in that tourney.She was down 6-1 in a race to 9 and ended
up winning 9-7.Very impressive playing by Karen.
http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.cfm?storynum=111
   Does this mean that I think the women can compete with the men?No,I
believe the men are to strong for the women to compete with
regularly.However any of these top women players are capable of
beating any of the top men on any given occasion.I also believe that
if there were only one tour to play on for men and women,Karen and
Allison would both be top 20 players on such a tour.IMHO.

George Comerford
Providence,R.I.

 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by Otto » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 22:37:41

Men are better mentally.

Otto


Quote:
> i think it would be possible because pool is not really a physical
> sport... nothing physically suggests that men are better pool players
> than women..

 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by Gordon Matheso » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 23:07:35

Quote:

>    I believe you mean the Joss Northeast Tour.I watched Karen last
> year play in an event in Providence with a very strong field of 70
> players.There were players such as Immonen,Zuglan,Sambajon,San
> Souci,Hopkins.Lisciotti etc.She came in 2nd in that tournament,I would
> say that is close to winning.And a side note,I watched Karen playing
> Mika Immonen in that tourney.She was down 6-1 in a race to 9 and ended
> up winning 9-7.Very impressive playing by Karen.
> http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.cfm?storynum=111
>    Does this mean that I think the women can compete with the men?No,I
> believe the men are to strong for the women to compete with
> regularly.

This is true of course but probably  irrelevant as far as the question of
competition of top 20 professional men playing the top 20 professional women
is concerned. There is a serious question as to whether the WOMEN
professionals can compete with Karen IMO.

Change that to:

 There is a serious question as to whether the WOMEN can compete with Corr
and Fisher IMO. Now there really  isn't even a question. These two have
dominated the women's tournament for years. Even Johnny Archer in his prime
didn't dominate the men's tournaments like Allison and Karen  have in recent
years.  8 times out of ten the rest of the women's tour is playing for
third. There is more parity in the NBA, NFL and MLB by far than there is in
the WBT. Not to mention men's pool lately where  the Brit snooks, er I mean
even the Brit snooker players beat the Americans at their own game. (Jolly
good show eh wot!)  Most ESPN fans (all 20 of them that aren't hard core
pool players like yourself) probably think there are only 5 or 6 women
professionals on the tour because they see the same faces over and over.

You can look it up.

G.- probably  can't beat Becky but can beat Anna Kournikova

 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by Stev » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 23:15:54

Quote:


> > Because they are not nearly as good.

> > Otto



> > > Does anyone know why professional women such a Karen Corr, Allison Fisher,
> > > Ewa Mataya Lawrence, Greta H. , Vivian , etc.. don't play against male
> > > professionals such as Johnny Archer, Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, etc ??

> i think it would be possible because pool is not really a physical
> sport... nothing physically suggests that men are better pool players
> than women..

I disagree, there is clearly a difference in men's and women's
physical coordination. It is not learned, it just is. Just as Efren
Reyes is naturally much better than me and always will be even if I
practice 12 hours a day. People like Allison and Karen have played
long enough and practice hard enough that if there was a natural
difference they would be able to play competitively with the men.
BTW, ALL the women pros are better than me. But I come a lot closer to
them than I do any of the men.
Steve.
 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by Patrick Johnso » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 23:20:21

Quote:
> ... there is clearly a difference in men's and women's
> physical coordination.

I agree with this.

Quote:
> It is not learned, it just is.

I disagree with this.  Although I believe some of it "just is", the
differences in how girls and boys are raised can't be entirely
discounted.  I don't know what the ratio of inherited to learned is, but
the learned part is substantial.  For that matter, over generations we
change our inherited traits by what we do.

Pat Johnson
Chicago

 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by Fred Agn » Thu, 09 Jan 2003 23:26:05


Quote:
> Karen Corr does (or did) play on men's tour with player's much less
> accomplished than the ones you've mentioned and she's never come close to
> winning a tournament.

Yup, much less accomplished. Players like Mike Zuglan, Mika Immonen,
George Sansouci, Tony Robles. You know, those second-rate kind of
players.

Other than her 2nd place finishes where she beat many top male
players. You might want to read:

http://www.azbilliards.com/josstour/event15-2001result.html

and

http://www.azbilliards.com/josstour/event10-2001result.html

BTW, Allison won a Viking Tourn tournament.

Fred

 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by Donald Tee » Fri, 10 Jan 2003 02:56:39

Quote:


>>Karen Corr does (or did) play on men's tour with player's much less
>>accomplished than the ones you've mentioned and she's never come close to
>>winning a tournament.

> Yup, much less accomplished. Players like Mike Zuglan, Mika Immonen,
> George Sansouci, Tony Robles. You know, those second-rate kind of
> players.

The reason they are not as good is pretty obvious.  They do not read RSB
*OR* ASP.  There are only a couple of them in here, and without the
benefit of all this swerve, squirt and squiggle talk, they will never
get any better. Hell, they will never even learn what cue-makers to talk
to to get a decent break.

Donald

 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by Victor Bazaro » Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:17:23

Quote:

> [...] they will never even learn what cue-makers to talk
> to to get a decent break.

I am a novice here.  Is it really necessary to talk to a cue
maker to get a decent break or is there a smiley missing from
your message?  Thanks.

Victor

 
 
 

Why don't professional women play against professional men in tournaments? Male-vs-Female

Post by Re » Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:19:42

Quote:

> Does anyone know why professional women such a Karen Corr, Allison Fisher,
> Ewa Mataya Lawrence, Greta H. , Vivian , etc.. don't play against male
> professionals such as Johnny Archer, Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes, etc ??
> Why don't they play for big money on ESPN against each other?

> What does the sex of a person have to do with how well they play? Power
> doesn't always win you the games.

> Who would win in a big money tournament if it was :  Male - vs - Female  ??

> Just Curious!

> Thanks

> Sincerely,
> Joe Whalen

> pool billiard and snooker fan.

Straight from the words of Allison Fisher....

Taken from her web site's Q&A:

"Q. Have you ever thought about playing in open events against the
guys?

A. I occasionally enter open tournaments but I don't see this becoming
a regular thing in the foreseeable future. If there was to be a match
between myself and one of the best male players, I would like to do it
in a one on one TV situation."

As for my opinion, I wouldn't bet they aren't good enough to win a big
tourney.  Tho, it is a lot easier for them to win in females only
events as the field isn't nearly as competitive.

Red