Tip sound

Tip sound

Post by Thierry Layan » Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:04:59


Could someone explain to me why some tips (especially laminated tips) make a
'tick' sound. Not all of them but some of them (especially the Talisman).
Some Lepro also make that sound. The only ones I find that don't have this
sound are the Triangle.
Anyone had the same experience ?

Thierry Layani

 
 
 

Tip sound

Post by Tony Jon » Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:44:29

Hi Thierry,
There are others on this forum with more experience with installing
tips, but I think you will find that usually the "tick" or "ping"
sound you mention is due to a small air pocket between the tip and the
ferrule. Before installation of the tip you need to makes sure both
the tip and the ferrule are absolutely flat. The tips then needs to be
clamped on in some way to make sure there is no gap while the glue
dries.

Tony Jones
www.talismanbilliards.com

Quote:

> Could someone explain to me why some tips (especially laminated tips) make a
> 'tick' sound. Not all of them but some of them (especially the Talisman).
> Some Lepro also make that sound. The only ones I find that don't have this
> sound are the Triangle.
> Anyone had the same experience ?

> Thierry Layani


 
 
 

Tip sound

Post by Thierry Layan » Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:50:48

I'm not sure about this explanation because of one main reason. Myself and
some other repairman I know machine the ferrule with the lathe and sand the
tip to make sure the faces are perfectly flat, so there is no air gap
possible. On the other hand why some tips make this sound very often and
some never. This remains a mystery for me.
Thierry Layani


Quote:
> Hi Thierry,
> There are others on this forum with more experience with installing
> tips, but I think you will find that usually the "tick" or "ping"
> sound you mention is due to a small air pocket between the tip and the
> ferrule. Before installation of the tip you need to makes sure both
> the tip and the ferrule are absolutely flat. The tips then needs to be
> clamped on in some way to make sure there is no gap while the glue
> dries.

> Tony Jones
> www.talismanbilliards.com




Quote:
> > Could someone explain to me why some tips (especially laminated tips)
make a
> > 'tick' sound. Not all of them but some of them (especially the
Talisman).
> > Some Lepro also make that sound. The only ones I find that don't have
this
> > sound are the Triangle.
> > Anyone had the same experience ?

> > Thierry Layani


 
 
 

Tip sound

Post by Jack Just » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:32:50

Quote:
>Could someone explain to me why some tips (especially laminated tips) make a
>> 'tick' sound. Not all of them but some of them (especially the Talisman).
>> Some Lepro also make that sound. The only ones I find that don't have this
>> sound are the Triangle.
>> Anyone had the same experience ?

>> Thierry Layani

Assuming that the ferrule is not cracked or loose, the noise could be caused by
a small piece of glue that has broken loose and is floating between the end of
the tenion and the inside of the ferrule. I'm assuming that the ferrule is
capped. Quite often you can hear this by tapping the shaft against the palm of
you hand.
Jack Justis

<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/JJustis4/index.html">Justis Cases</A>

 
 
 

Tip sound

Post by Thierry Layan » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:32:01

I know it's not that either because with the same ferrule some tips make
noise and some don't. So it has to do with the tip itself, I guess ?!?
Other possibilities to be examined (type of glu, pressure applied, proper
sanding of the tip).
Still is a mystery.
Thierry Layani


Quote:
> >Could someone explain to me why some tips (especially laminated tips)
make a
> >> 'tick' sound. Not all of them but some of them (especially the
Talisman).
> >> Some Lepro also make that sound. The only ones I find that don't have
this
> >> sound are the Triangle.
> >> Anyone had the same experience ?

> >> Thierry Layani

> Assuming that the ferrule is not cracked or loose, the noise could be
caused by
> a small piece of glue that has broken loose and is floating between the
end of
> the tenion and the inside of the ferrule. I'm assuming that the ferrule is
> capped. Quite often you can hear this by tapping the shaft against the
palm of
> you hand.
> Jack Justis

> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/JJustis4/index.html">Justis Cases</A>

 
 
 

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Post by Phong Do Kho » Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:40:37

I think that although there are many reasons (air pockets, glue breaking loose),
there is still some factor in tips that may make a pinging sound.  Seems that
many or most (if not all) of the Skratch (pool hall) cues made by Gladiator cues
have a distinct 'ping'.  Somehow I doubt all of them have an air pocket or glue
problem
Quote:

> Could someone explain to me why some tips (especially laminated tips) make a
> 'tick' sound. Not all of them but some of them (especially the Talisman).
> Some Lepro also make that sound. The only ones I find that don't have this
> sound are the Triangle.
> Anyone had the same experience ?

> Thierry Layani

 
 
 

Tip sound

Post by tony mathew » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:33:30

Quote:

> I know it's not that either because with the same ferrule some tips make
> noise and some don't. So it has to do with the tip itself, I guess ?!?
> Other possibilities to be examined (type of glu, pressure applied, proper
> sanding of the tip).
> Still is a mystery.

Without hearing the exact sound that you are experiencing, it is hard to say
whether this is normal or not.

I've never noticed this as a chronic problem with any type of tip!

Does it just happen with hard tips? Maybe you are just hearing the sound of a
hard tip on a capped ferrule? (it can be loud).

It almost sounds like you are just comparing the sound of a hard tip to a softer
tip. Try a fiber pad between the Talisman and the ferrule, and see if the sound
goes away.

I don't do anything really special, I machine the face of the ferrule flat on
the lathe, sand the tip flat, apply glue to the back of the tip (CA gel) and
then use the tailstick to apply pressure to the tip for about 30 seconds. I
don't get any strange sounds unless the tip was starved for glue in some area,
and in that case, I remove the tip and re-apply.

I know this might sound obvious, but when facing the ferrule, do you make sure
that the cutting tool is precisely centered? If the tool is a little above or
below center, it can leave a small bump, (or just a little domed area) in the
center that might not allow the tip to sit flat. Try using a very small center
drill in the middle of the ferrule (1/16" diameter) and see if that helps.

Who knows, maybe you got a bad batch of tips? Does it matter if you install the
tip backwards?

Tony

 
 
 

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Post by jdub » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:49:54

I think I know what he's talking about.  Whenever I hit with Pechauers,
except for the JP series, I hear a 'tink' sound - almost like hitting soft
metal.  With one, I took the shaft off the cue and struck a few balls with
just the shaft and still heard it, although a duller pitch.

--Jim


Quote:


> > I know it's not that either because with the same ferrule some tips make
> > noise and some don't. So it has to do with the tip itself, I guess ?!?
> > Other possibilities to be examined (type of glu, pressure applied,
proper
> > sanding of the tip).
> > Still is a mystery.

> Without hearing the exact sound that you are experiencing, it is hard to
say
> whether this is normal or not.

> I've never noticed this as a chronic problem with any type of tip!

> Does it just happen with hard tips? Maybe you are just hearing the sound
of a
> hard tip on a capped ferrule? (it can be loud).

> It almost sounds like you are just comparing the sound of a hard tip to a
softer
> tip. Try a fiber pad between the Talisman and the ferrule, and see if the
sound
> goes away.

> I don't do anything really special, I machine the face of the ferrule flat
on
> the lathe, sand the tip flat, apply glue to the back of the tip (CA gel)
and
> then use the tailstick to apply pressure to the tip for about 30 seconds.
I
> don't get any strange sounds unless the tip was starved for glue in some
area,
> and in that case, I remove the tip and re-apply.

> I know this might sound obvious, but when facing the ferrule, do you make
sure
> that the cutting tool is precisely centered? If the tool is a little above
or
> below center, it can leave a small bump, (or just a little domed area) in
the
> center that might not allow the tip to sit flat. Try using a very small
center
> drill in the middle of the ferrule (1/16" diameter) and see if that helps.

> Who knows, maybe you got a bad batch of tips? Does it matter if you
install the
> tip backwards?

> Tony

 
 
 

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Post by Thierry Layan » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:55:58

Sincerely, I'm totally mystified by this. Maybe it's just me. I know for
sure that the ferrule is perfectly flat because of the way with machine it.
On the other hand, some repairman I know have had the same problem. Maybe
it's a geographical problem ???
No really, I don't know what to say, because sometimes I have to change the
tip up to four times until the sound disappears. That's why my intuition was
that the tip had some sort of problem( the talisman is the worst of all as
to the 'tick' sound, but still plays great). Moreover this problem never
comes up with a triangle (which is pretty hard to me).
I'll just wear ear plugs, I guess it's the only solution.
Thierry


Quote:


> > I know it's not that either because with the same ferrule some tips make
> > noise and some don't. So it has to do with the tip itself, I guess ?!?
> > Other possibilities to be examined (type of glu, pressure applied,
proper
> > sanding of the tip).
> > Still is a mystery.

> Without hearing the exact sound that you are experiencing, it is hard to
say
> whether this is normal or not.

> I've never noticed this as a chronic problem with any type of tip!

> Does it just happen with hard tips? Maybe you are just hearing the sound
of a
> hard tip on a capped ferrule? (it can be loud).

> It almost sounds like you are just comparing the sound of a hard tip to a
softer
> tip. Try a fiber pad between the Talisman and the ferrule, and see if the
sound
> goes away.

> I don't do anything really special, I machine the face of the ferrule flat
on
> the lathe, sand the tip flat, apply glue to the back of the tip (CA gel)
and
> then use the tailstick to apply pressure to the tip for about 30 seconds.
I
> don't get any strange sounds unless the tip was starved for glue in some
area,
> and in that case, I remove the tip and re-apply.

> I know this might sound obvious, but when facing the ferrule, do you make
sure
> that the cutting tool is precisely centered? If the tool is a little above
or
> below center, it can leave a small bump, (or just a little domed area) in
the
> center that might not allow the tip to sit flat. Try using a very small
center
> drill in the middle of the ferrule (1/16" diameter) and see if that helps.

> Who knows, maybe you got a bad batch of tips? Does it matter if you
install the
> tip backwards?

> Tony

 
 
 

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Post by mpotte » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:46:16

Thierry,
Have you experimented with hitting different types/brands of balls with
these same tips to see if the sound is the same with all, or maybe only
associated with hitting a particular type of ball with a particular type of
tip? Maybe there is some resonance factor depending on the combination of
tip type and ball density or material???  Just a far-fetched thought.


Quote:
> Could someone explain to me why some tips (especially laminated tips) make
a
> 'tick' sound. Not all of them but some of them (especially the Talisman).
> Some Lepro also make that sound. The only ones I find that don't have this
> sound are the Triangle.
> Anyone had the same experience ?

> Thierry Layani

 
 
 

Tip sound

Post by Brian Ki » Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:33:01

Could be in the laminations of the tip. They could have gaps between the
glue joints of the tip. Talisman tips do delaminate on occasion. I've
never had a Lepro make a noise on me unless there was a gap between the
tip and ferruel. What kind of ferruel do you use? Some ferrules ( in my
opinion) have different sounds. Good luck.
Brian King
Strokerz Billiard Pub
www.strokerz.com
 
 
 

Tip sound

Post by Thierry Layan » Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:53:41

I'll give it to try.


Quote:
> Thierry,
> Have you experimented with hitting different types/brands of balls with
> these same tips to see if the sound is the same with all, or maybe only
> associated with hitting a particular type of ball with a particular type
of
> tip? Maybe there is some resonance factor depending on the combination of
> tip type and ball density or material???  Just a far-fetched thought.



> > Could someone explain to me why some tips (especially laminated tips)
make
> a
> > 'tick' sound. Not all of them but some of them (especially the
Talisman).
> > Some Lepro also make that sound. The only ones I find that don't have
this
> > sound are the Triangle.
> > Anyone had the same experience ?

> > Thierry Layani

 
 
 

Tip sound

Post by Thierry Layan » Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:55:04

We use a phenolic ferrule. I guess the delamination factor is the best
answer I can think of now.
Thanks for sharing !
Thierry

Quote:
> Could be in the laminations of the tip. They could have gaps between the
> glue joints of the tip. Talisman tips do delaminate on occasion. I've
> never had a Lepro make a noise on me unless there was a gap between the
> tip and ferruel. What kind of ferruel do you use? Some ferrules ( in my
> opinion) have different sounds. Good luck.
> Brian King
> Strokerz Billiard Pub
> www.strokerz.com

 
 
 

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Post by *??a?{ Bill Mo » Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:46:46

Thierry,

I don't think is your tip/s. I think it's your ferrule is loose. Check it out.

Bm.

Quote:

> Could someone explain to me why some tips (especially laminated tips) make a
> 'tick' sound. Not all of them but some of them (especially the Talisman).
> Some Lepro also make that sound. The only ones I find that don't have this
> sound are the Triangle.
> Anyone had the same experience ?

> Thierry Layani