Jump shot key skill for 9-ball

Jump shot key skill for 9-ball

Post by John Blac » Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:47:56


Newsflash right?  I've been watching lots of 9-ball lately (thanks to my
DVR grabbing lots of matches for me).  Much has been said here about the
similarities and differences between 14.1, 8-ball and 9-ball shots and
skills.  One thing that has become apparent to me is that the jump shot
is a key skill for 9-ball but not so for the other games.  Jump shots
come up 2 to 4 times per match! based on what I'm seeing.  And these
guys and gals not only jump over the ball, but often make the shot with
position.

I've never seen a jump shot taken in 14.1 and don't really recall it
coming up in all of the 8-ball I've watched in IPT and on Accustats.  A
jump is a shot that can only be described as advanced.  If I had to list
why I think 9-ball is a more advanced game than 8-ball it would be:

1) Frequently tough opening shot or no opening shot after break
2) If miss position on the 1 legal ball, no other options to shoot at.
3) Jump shots routinely come up.
4) Kick shots routinely come up.

Comments?

John Black

 
 
 

Jump shot key skill for 9-ball

Post by Ron Shepar » Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:22:13



Quote:
> I've never seen a jump shot taken in 14.1 [...]

They do, but they are usually for a different reason.  In 9-ball,
you generally jump in order to get a good hit and avoid the foul
penalty.  In 14.1, any ball you hit is a good hit, so jump shots are
generally to either break out clusters or to obtain position that
would otherwise not be possible.  In these shots, the cue ball loft
is achieved *after* it hits the called ball.  These shots are
sometimes useful in 9-ball too, but most 9-ball players don't seem
to think of them (or don't know them).  In rare cases someone might
use a jump shot to pocket a ball in 14.1, like in 9-ball, but it
requires a rather odd table layout for this to be the best option.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

Jump shot key skill for 9-ball

Post by fastla.. » Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:41:59

I made a pot off a break ball and had a bad angle into the rack so I
jumped the cue ball to land in the middle of the rack which spread
them.  I was playing Mosconi and he about had a cow.  You obviously
have not seen much straight pool have you.

You see more jumps on 9 ball because they play more safes.  8 ball if
you spread and make a ball on the break you run out period.  I jump a
lot in 8 ball when stuff is in my way.  I just fly over it.

You act like the jump is some new invention you just discovered.  They
were jumping over full balls in their way in the 1700's well before the
invention of the leather tip in 1827 with just a wood cue mace end.
Plain wood jumps better than a tip.

For years they have been jumping on tour but the skill at this has
changed.  Before they were happy to just hit the ball and not give up
cue ball in hand.  Now the top players expect to make the shot.  At
last years Pro Hopkins event I was playing Shawn Putnman and twice I
played safeties that I thought had him and he jumps runs down table
length and makes two super tough cuts and got out.  The crowd went
nuts.  I sat down going what am I doing here.

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Jump shot key skill for 9-ball

Post by Ed McCun » Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:39:06

Quote:

> I've never seen a jump shot taken in 14.1 and don't really recall it
> coming up in all of the 8-ball I've watched in IPT and on Accustats.  A
> jump is a shot that can only be described as advanced.  If I had to list
> why I think 9-ball is a more advanced game than 8-ball it would be:

> 1) Frequently tough opening shot or no opening shot after break
> 2) If miss position on the 1 legal ball, no other options to shoot at.
> 3) Jump shots routinely come up.
> 4) Kick shots routinely come up.

I see jump shots in league 8 ball all the time and in Vegas lost a
couple of key matches to experts with the jump cue. Late in 8 ball games
sometimes the jumper can give the run out that nothing else can.

I don't use jumpers much myself. I prefer to kick but will use them if
it is a game winner.

As for the rest about nine ball what you say is true. you have to get on
the none but for any pro if you are on the nine the rack is generally
over. And for the rest of us, even at my level, if I get a good shot at
the 3 or 4 ball and an open table the rack of nine ball is over.

With 8 ball on a 7 ft bar table things are never that certain. You get
down to the last few balls and things get a lot tougher. This is where
your kicking and jumping and tight positional skills come in.

Personally I find 8 ball way tougher than nine ball. But no more than 3
years ago I found it the opposite and couldn't play nine ball to save my
life. There are different skills involved and as you involve as a
p[layer you will be better at different games.

As far as 14.1 well....suffice it to say that My high run is in the 40's
still.

Ed

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Jump shot key skill for 9-ball

Post by Tom Seifert aka Ratche » Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:04:44

Quote:

> Newsflash right?  I've been watching lots of 9-ball lately (thanks to my
> DVR grabbing lots of matches for me).  Much has been said here about the
> similarities and differences between 14.1, 8-ball and 9-ball shots and
> skills.  One thing that has become apparent to me is that the jump shot
> is a key skill for 9-ball but not so for the other games.  Jump shots
> come up 2 to 4 times per match! based on what I'm seeing.  And these
> guys and gals not only jump over the ball, but often make the shot with
> position.

> I've never seen a jump shot taken in 14.1 and don't really recall it
> coming up in all of the 8-ball I've watched in IPT and on Accustats.  A
> jump is a shot that can only be described as advanced.  If I had to list
> why I think 9-ball is a more advanced game than 8-ball it would be:

> 1) Frequently tough opening shot or no opening shot after break
> 2) If miss position on the 1 legal ball, no other options to shoot at.
> 3) Jump shots routinely come up.
> 4) Kick shots routinely come up.

> Comments?

> John Black

I just got back from Derby City , I had the chance to speak somewhat at
length with Earl Strickland , He is one hell of a nice guy in person and
I enjoyed listening to his side of the story. He is very passionate
about his profession and I was amazed to hear that he thinks jump cues
should be banned ! He said he dont mind the full cue jumps so much but
hates getting beat by them .I really had a blast listeneing to him talk
about his love for the game !

Tom S. - Even got my picture taken with him just to prove that I did
speak with him lololol !

 
 
 

Jump shot key skill for 9-ball

Post by John Blac » Thu, 11 Jan 2007 02:15:41



Quote:
> He is one hell of a nice guy in person

Not sure what this means.  When he is not being a nice guy, I believe
there are plenty of people there "in person".  Anyway, thanks for the
account of your meeting.  I have known he was opposed to jump cues.  I
believe it is because he feels it allows people to shortcut the practice
time and skill needed to learn to jump accurately with a full sized cue.  
He's put in the time and is good at it and it bugs him that lesser
players can "cheat" by using a jump cue.  I think that is his argument??

John Black

 
 
 

Jump shot key skill for 9-ball

Post by Tom Seifert aka Ratche » Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:49:56

Quote:



>>He is one hell of a nice guy in person

> Not sure what this means.  When he is not being a nice guy, I believe
> there are plenty of people there "in person".  Anyway, thanks for the
> account of your meeting.  I have known he was opposed to jump cues.  I
> believe it is because he feels it allows people to shortcut the practice
> time and skill needed to learn to jump accurately with a full sized cue.  
> He's put in the time and is good at it and it bugs him that lesser
> players can "cheat" by using a jump cue.  I think that is his argument??

> John Black

Yep , he mentioned that too !