New Thread: Long Draw Shot Difficulties with Predator 314

New Thread: Long Draw Shot Difficulties with Predator 314

Post by Misc » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:10:14


Gentlemen,

I would like to thank each of you for taking time to respond to my
post. You provided some good advice.

I would like to clarify my original statement. When I said 30%, I
meant that on the power draw shot that I described, I failed to
successfully pocket the object ball 30% of the time due to a miscue or
accuracy. Mainly,
accuracy was my problem. Draw was not an issue. It was just harder for
me to pocket the object ball (using a power draw shot) with a Predator
314 than a non-Predator cue. I successfully pocketed the object ball
100% of the time on two different non-Predator cues and 70% on two
different 314’s.

I know it is asking a lot, but would some of you Predator owners
perform the following experiment and post you results? Please include
the size
and brand of your tip. By the way, I had a medium Moori on both of the
314's.

Place the object ball two diamonds from the corner pocket and then
perform a straight in power draw shot from four diamonds behind the
object ball. Try to draw back at least two diamonds. Do this 20
times with your Predator 314 and record how many times you pocket the
object ball (drawing the two diamonds is of secondary importance).
Then repeat with a non-Predator cue.

Thanks again,
Jonathan

 
 
 

New Thread: Long Draw Shot Difficulties with Predator 314

Post by Patrick Johnso » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:29:58

Quote:

> ... I failed to
> successfully pocket the object ball 30% of the time due to a miscue or
> accuracy.

What percentage were due to miscues?  This is fundamentally different
from missing shots.

Considering only the non-miscues, did you miss to one side mostly or was
it more random?

It doesn't sound like you're observing carefully enough to know whether
anything unusual is really happening.  Have you actually tried one stick
vs. another in a controlled way, making careful note of all the results?

Pat Johnson
Chicago

 
 
 

New Thread: Long Draw Shot Difficulties with Predator 314

Post by Bill » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:00:33

I have a Predator 314 & a Schon cue and have coincidentally, been
practicing power draw.  Both cues have Moori medium, 13mm tips.  Since
practicing with my bridge hand flat on the table, (as per suggestion by Bob
Jewett) cue rests on top of & between thumb & forfinger, I do not miscue
anymore.  Also recent attention to "follow through" without back swing on
draw, I can do two diamonds consistantly as well as length of table or
more.  Last night my opponent left me almost straight in on an 8 ball one
diamond past the side pocket and the 9 was at the same diamond on the
opposite side of the table.  I drew with low right to the bottom rail and
the cue ball spun left and came to within one diamond of the nine, my guess
is 4 ft back to the bottom rail & 3 1/2 feet up to the 9.  It was a
beautiful thing!  Now to learn the other 80,000 things to be a good player.

Bill O - at the 5 ball

 
 
 

New Thread: Long Draw Shot Difficulties with Predator 314

Post by Misc » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:15:46

Pat,

Out of 20 tries on my Predator Sneaky Pete, I missed 6 shots and two
were miscues.
Out of 20 tries on my Predator 2, I missed 6 shots and had one miscue.
Out of 20 tries with my Dufferin house cue I was 100%. successful.
Out of 20 tries with a borrowed custom cue I was 100% successful.

I noticed a definite trend on the missed shots. I always hit the left
edge of the pocket. But what puzzles me, and prompted my post, is that
I am trying my best to use the same power draw stroke on the Predator
shafts and the non-Predator shafts. If my mechanics were that far off,
then I would expect to have problems pocketing the object ball
regardless of the cue, shaft, tip etc…

In response to not observing carefully enough:
I have a training cue ball that will show exactly where the tip
contacts the ball. I will repeat the test and see if I am actually
hitting the cue ball in the same place with both types of shafts. Any
other suggestions?

Ultimately, I am trying to discover if it is easier to pocket balls,
when executing a long power draw shot, with a non-Predator shaft.

Thanks again,
Jonathan

 
 
 

New Thread: Long Draw Shot Difficulties with Predator 314

Post by Tony DeAngel » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 06:17:05

For example, to be meaningful I would think that both shafts should have
the same type of tip shaped identically.  As far as I know from this
guys post his misses might be due to the tip as likely as the shaft.
Quote:


>> ... I failed to
>> successfully pocket the object ball 30% of the time due to a miscue or
>> accuracy.

> What percentage were due to miscues?  This is fundamentally different
> from missing shots.

> Considering only the non-miscues, did you miss to one side mostly or was
> it more random?

> It doesn't sound like you're observing carefully enough to know whether
> anything unusual is really happening.  Have you actually tried one stick
> vs. another in a controlled way, making careful note of all the results?

> Pat Johnson
> Chicago