Balls: Clean or Dirty?

Balls: Clean or Dirty?

Post by JA » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:12:53


Mike posts:  "JAM, you need to read his sentence again."

I think I read it correctly, Mike.

Patrick stated, "...the blue-circle is probably the most common cue-ball for
9-foot tables, other than the red-dot...."

I responded, "If the blue-circle...is the most common cue-ball for the 9-foot
table, it is curious why the red-dot cue-ball is used in most tournaments...."

JAM

 
 
 

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Post by JA » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:14:41

Lou posts:  "...there is an actual red triangle cue ball  --  the triangle is
on the ball, sorta like the red circle.  It plays a smidge heavier than the red
circle, IMO."

So is the red triangle cue-ball the same weight as the blue-dot or blue-circle
cue-ball, which is heavier than the red-dot or red-circle cue-ball?

JAM

 
 
 

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Post by Tony DeAngel » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:47:37

Try it again.  When Pat says "other than the red-dot" he means the
red-dot (or red circle) cue ball is the most common, followed by the
blue circle, or Centennial cue ball.  When you say "if the
blue-circle...is the most commmon cue-ball for the 9-foot table," you
chopped off the "other than the red-dot" part.  It's as if PJ wrote
about "Poolhall Junkies" "It's incredible that this piece of trash was
made" and you quoted him as saying "It's incredible!".

The blue-circle cue ball is used in many tournements which use the
Centennial balls.  Many WPBA events for example, and half the
tournements in my town use Centennial balls, including the blue circle
cue ball.

Quote:

> Mike posts:  "JAM, you need to read his sentence again."

> I think I read it correctly, Mike.

> Patrick stated, "...the blue-circle is probably the most common cue-ball for
> 9-foot tables, other than the red-dot...."

> I responded, "If the blue-circle...is the most common cue-ball for the 9-foot
> table, it is curious why the red-dot cue-ball is used in most tournaments...."

> JAM


 
 
 

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Post by Steve Elli » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:49:29


Quote:
>...
>To be clear, cue-balls come in red-dot, blue-dot, red-circle, no-dot, the red
>squiggly lines, and a polka-dot.  General consensus is most players like the
>red-dot the best, or maybe cue-ball preference is regional.

>JAM

You left of the blue squiggly line, blue with the Arimith Premium, red with the Arimith
Super Pro. You also left of the blue circle, but you mentioned it in a post further down
the line.
 
 
 

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Post by JA » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:02:33

Tony posts to JAM:  "Try it again...."

A poorly constructed sentence (IMO).

What region of the country are you in that has "many tournaments which use
Centennial balls"?

JAM

 
 
 

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Post by Tony DeAngel » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:16:45

Quote:

> Tony posts to JAM:  "Try it again...."

> A poorly constructed sentence (IMO).

> What region of the country are you in that has "many tournaments which use
> Centennial balls"?

> JAM

Now I get it.  You're being deliberately argumentative.  I'm sorry, I
took your post at face value.  You win.  Nobody uses Centennial balls.
Happy now?
 
 
 

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Post by Frank Glen » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:30:32


:|:The blue-circle cue ball is used in many tournements which use the
:|:Centennial balls.  Many WPBA events for example, and half the
:|:tournements in my town use Centennial balls, including the blue circle
:|:cue ball.
:|:
:|:

Years ago you could only get a blue circle ball with a new set of
Centennials. The red circle ball was the replacement ball when one
was needed. That's why there are so many around. Now you can get a
blue circle by itself, but this has only been recent (last couple of
years, I think).
Frank <-just thought you might like to know this

 
 
 

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Post by Smorgass Bor » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:34:12

Red dot, Blue dot, Red Circle, Blue Circle, Red triangle, Red squiggly
line, Mud ball, etc., etc., it makes absolutely NO difference to my
game, whatsoever..

                        imo,

                  Doug
 ~>*(((><  Big fish eat Little fish  ><)))*<~

 
 
 

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Post by JA » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:47:00

Tony posts:  "Now I get it.  You're being deliberately argumentative.  I'm
sorry, I
took your post at face value.  You win.  Nobody uses Centennial balls. Happy
now?"

No, Tony, I'm not.  My inquiry was a serious one.

When I first embarked on the tournament trail with KM, he always made the
comment that he liked the "blue-dot cue ball," as he calls them, and that he
did not like the lighter-weight red-dots.

Seeing more red-dots at major tournaments, I was wondering if the popularity of
one cue ball versus another might have been a regional preference, and so I
asked you the question, hoping to hear your sincere response.

Imagine red and blue.  I do.
I think about it day and night.
It's only right.
To think about the ball you love,
Whether it's light.
The blue-dot is better!

If I should play a game,
invest a dime,
I want to know which ball is used,
to ease my mind.
The only one for me is blue,
and blue for me.
So happy together

I can't see me playing somebody like you,
with all my might.
If we did, I'd have to make sure
it is blue for a fair fight.

Me and blue
And blue and me
No matter how they toss the dice
It had to be
The only one for me is blue,
and blue for me.
So happy together.

JAM

 
 
 

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Post by JA » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:55:12

SmorgassBored posts:  "Red dot, Blue dot, Red Circle, Blue Circle, Red
triangle, Red squiggly line, Mud ball, etc., etc., it makes absolutely NO
difference to my game, whatsoever..."

And neither do I, but most players who have skills above my level seem to
notice a tremendous difference and experience difficulties when switching from
one to another.

JAM

 
 
 

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Post by Vader934 » Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:11:47

Quote:
>That's a new one on me, the red triangle cue ball.

The only red triangle ball I've heard about used to come with the older sets of
SA Pro balls.  
 
 
 

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Post by Ron Shepar » Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:48:36


Quote:

> >That's a new one on me, the red triangle cue ball.

> The only red triangle ball I've heard about used to come with the older sets
> of
> SA Pro balls.

I think the red triangle cue balls were used the first couple of
years, about '95-'96, and then they switched to the squiggly-red-S
cue balls for the Super-Arimith Pro sets.  Here is the set of
replacement balls at Muellers:

http://www.poolndarts.com/store.cfm/cat/80.cfm

They apparently do not have either the red triangle or the
squiggly-red-S cue balls, but they do have some black circle balls
that no one else has mentioned yet.

As far as how the various cue balls play, an important factor is the
weight in relation to the object balls.  For example, I think the
common red-circle cue balls (new) play a little heavy with
Centennials, but they play a little light with SA Pros.  Of course,
after the cue ball is worn down (and they do wear faster than the
ojbect balls), then it will play light no matter what are the object
balls.

The other important factor, besides weight, is how smoothly the
surface is polished and how that surface wears over time.  I think
this is why the red circle cue balls are so popular (and relatively
expensive).  They seem to be highly polished when new, and they seem
to wear more evenly and smoothly than most other cue balls.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

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Post by Patrick Johnso » Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:41:38

Quote:

> The other important factor, besides weight, is how smoothly the
> surface is polished and how that surface wears over time.

Is this the only factor determining the friction between two balls?  Are
some resins "stickier" than others (either with similar balls or in
combination with balls of another resin)?

Pat Johnson
Chicago

 
 
 

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Post by Ron Shepar » Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:02:16



Quote:
> > The other important factor, besides weight, is how smoothly the
> > surface is polished and how that surface wears over time.

> Is this the only factor determining the friction between two balls?  Are
> some resins "stickier" than others (either with similar balls or in
> combination with balls of another resin)?

When I made the original comment I was think primarily about the
friction between the ball and the cloth; this affects, for example,
how much draw you can get on table-length shots.

I don't know the answer to the ball-ball friction question.  In
general, friction is well-known to depend on the *pair* of sliding
surfaces, it is not a characteristic of just one of the surfaces.  
Also, it does not correlate the same for all materials as a function
of smoothness; for some pairs of materials smoother surfaces have
higher friction, while for other materials smoother surfaces have
lower friction.  It looks like its time to make some measurements.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

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Post by Bob Jewet » Sat, 28 Feb 2004 04:31:14

Quote:

> Is this the only factor determining the friction between two balls?  Are
> some resins "stickier" than others (either with similar balls or in
> combination with balls of another resin)?

I thought I'd improve an old set of phenolic balls by using some
car care products.  First was rubbing compound, then polish.  The
result was nice and shiny -- almost like new except for the yellowing
of the old plastic.  The ball-ball friction was perhaps twice what
you would see on a new set of balls.  I think something in the
products had made the surfaces stickier.

--

Bob Jewett
http://www.sfbilliards.com/