DCC tables banking short?

DCC tables banking short?

Post by lfiguero » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:00:23


I dan't know.  I just know they played funky:  banked short and you couldn't
spin them.

Lou Figueroa
fondly remembering the tables and balls at the Playground
in Kalamazoo were you could twist a ball off the rail like a pretzel


Quote:
> In article


> > Ross, you have a good point.  I felt like the tables were banking short.

> [...]

> Here's a hypothesis on the banking short phenomenon.

> There's two things that change the ball path from the light-ray path.
> First, friction with the rail from coming into the rail at an angle
> wants to *shorten* the bank, i.e., the rail pushes the ball sideways.
> Second, after coming off the rail, the object ball usually still has
> some topspin that makes it curve in the *long* direction.  Thus, there
> is at least some cancellation of these effects.

> If you go to slicker cloth, the rail collision can't shorten the bank as
> much, and the topspin, which takes longer to grip on the cloth, can't
> widen it as much.  So there's even a tendency for even the *changes* to
> cancel a bit.

> Stickier cloth has the banks shortened more by the rail but also widened
> more immediately coming off the rail.

> This gives the normal expected variations in tables with speed, etc.

> But what if...  what if the friction with the rail cloth was *different*
> from the friction with the bed cloth?

> If the rail friction was larger than the bed friction, the shortening
> from the rail would be more pronounced than the widening off the rail,
> leading to unexpected behavior.

> Perhaps the new cleaning procedure slickened the bed without slickening
> the rails ???

> just a thought.

 
 
 

DCC tables banking short?

Post by kollegeda » Sun, 01 Feb 2004 17:36:59

Lou, I read your posts on the DCC.  I am sorry to hear that it wasn't
so fun.  I am a bit disappointed that Efren showed up the year after I
went...oh well only two more years of school and I can be law school
dave and go to all the DCC I want.  I watched the Mosconi cup coverage
on ESPN and you are right that the players were "human"--missing
fairly easy shots for them, Charlie Williams missing that six.

I have started playing on a more regular basis this semester, so
hopefully I can sneak up on Big Ed.  I hope your getting some action
back at the 'ole C&C.

Take Care

kollegedave

P.S. the correct spelling(college) was taken at yahoo, so don't go
telling Al that I can't spell "college".

Quote:

> I rest my case.

> Lou Figueroa



> > AntonioKing1 posts:  "I played in the one pocket during derby city  and in
> > total i played on about 4 or 5 table and i didnt have a problem with any
>  of
> > them.Maybe im just a bad banker."

> > I didn't play on any of the tables at the DCC.  However, I did hear the
>  same
> > recurring theme of "tables banking short."

> > I was chatting with Earl Strickland after he was practicing, and he said,
>  "The
> > tables bank short."  Marcus said the same thing, as did Scott Frost.
>  Keith
> > McCready said the tables banked short.  Jose Parica said the tables banked
> > short.  Kid Delicious said the tables banked short.  As a matter of fact,
>  every
> > pool player I spoke to said the tables banked short.

> > Now, it could be a characteristic of the tables, just like some tables are
> > supposed to have bigger pockets, et cetera.  Personally, with my level of
>  play,
> > I wouldn't be able to ascertain the difference of a table banking short or
> > long.

> > Keith spotted a young kid named Chuck 5 to 4 in a 6-ahead banks match for
>  7
> > C-notes.  KM notes that Kentucky is famous for its healthy share of bank
>  pool
> > players.  Both Chuck and Keith were whining and moaning about how the
>  table
> > banked short.  It seemed when they would "warp" the bank shot, it went in
> > without a hitch.  I'm not sure what "warp" is, but I'm just sharing what I
> > heard.

> > JAM


 
 
 

DCC tables banking short?

Post by lfiguero » Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:34:08

ah, the infamous "College Dave" chirps for the first time in RSB.  aloha.

But, David, I do have bad news for you:  just as Freddy Bentivengna is still
known as Freddy the Beard  --  though he's been clean shaven for years  --
alas, you will always be known as "College Dave" and never gain notoriety as
"Law School Dave."  The natives do become set in their ways...  :-)

Lou Figueroa


Quote:
> Lou, I read your posts on the DCC.  I am sorry to hear that it wasn't
> so fun.  I am a bit disappointed that Efren showed up the year after I
> went...oh well only two more years of school and I can be law school
> dave and go to all the DCC I want.  I watched the Mosconi cup coverage
> on ESPN and you are right that the players were "human"--missing
> fairly easy shots for them, Charlie Williams missing that six.

> I have started playing on a more regular basis this semester, so
> hopefully I can sneak up on Big Ed.  I hope your getting some action
> back at the 'ole C&C.

> Take Care

> kollegedave

> P.S. the correct spelling(college) was taken at yahoo, so don't go
> telling Al that I can't spell "college".



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Quote:
> > I rest my case.

> > Lou Figueroa



> > > AntonioKing1 posts:  "I played in the one pocket during derby city
and in
> > > total i played on about 4 or 5 table and i didnt have a problem with
any
> >  of
> > > them.Maybe im just a bad banker."

> > > I didn't play on any of the tables at the DCC.  However, I did hear
the
> >  same
> > > recurring theme of "tables banking short."

> > > I was chatting with Earl Strickland after he was practicing, and he
said,
> >  "The
> > > tables bank short."  Marcus said the same thing, as did Scott Frost.
> >  Keith
> > > McCready said the tables banked short.  Jose Parica said the tables
banked
> > > short.  Kid Delicious said the tables banked short.  As a matter of
fact,
> >  every
> > > pool player I spoke to said the tables banked short.

> > > Now, it could be a characteristic of the tables, just like some tables
are
> > > supposed to have bigger pockets, et cetera.  Personally, with my level
of
> >  play,
> > > I wouldn't be able to ascertain the difference of a table banking
short or
> > > long.

> > > Keith spotted a young kid named Chuck 5 to 4 in a 6-ahead banks match
for
> >  7
> > > C-notes.  KM notes that Kentucky is famous for its healthy share of
bank
> >  pool
> > > players.  Both Chuck and Keith were whining and moaning about how the
> >  table
> > > banked short.  It seemed when they would "warp" the bank shot, it went
in
> > > without a hitch.  I'm not sure what "warp" is, but I'm just sharing
what I
> > > heard.

> > > JAM


 
 
 

DCC tables banking short?

Post by dalafleu » Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:07:13

I've always found Diamonds to bank short. Play on Gold Crowns.

Quote:
> Hey Jimbo , Thanks for the 411 !!!

> >>> Ratchet <<<


> > Ratchet: >what does "bank short" and " warp " mean ?

> > Bank Short means you hit it where you think you should and it hits the
rail
> > before the pocket, long would mean it goes by the pocket, you need to
have a
> > consistent bank that you know exactly how you always hit it to be able
to tell,
> > or just be good at banks. Warp would mean hitting it so hard that spin,
rails,
> > clothe or any other factors will not effect the results, most people
bank at
> > warp speed to "shorten" a bank or on tables that roll off.

> > Jim <----Can't bank

 
 
 

DCC tables banking short?

Post by Patrick Johnso » Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:28:01

Quote:

> I've always found Diamonds to bank short.

Do Diamonds have faster or slower rails than Gold Crowns?  I can't
believe that they all bank shorter but there's no other difference in
the rails.

Pat Johnson
Chicago