After gluing

After gluing

Post by Steve » Thu, 30 Aug 2012 06:11:45


Now that I have successfully glued a couple of tips on the end of cues,
there seems to be the issue of shaping.  I took my two sided shaper/scuffer
pool chalk shape device, and tried to make a round tip.

I'm going to google and look up what I'm supposed to be coming up with as
the ideal end shaped tip.  It' seems a ways away from what I'm coming up
with my thick elkhide tips.

Is there a good shaper that will give me a rounded tip without working at it
a lot?  It seems that after a tip is securely glued on to a shaft, that
there is considerably more work to be done.

Steve

 
 
 

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Post by Ron Shepar » Thu, 30 Aug 2012 09:53:05



Quote:
> Now that I have successfully glued a couple of tips on the end of cues,
> there seems to be the issue of shaping.  I took my two sided shaper/scuffer
> pool chalk shape device, and tried to make a round tip.

I think you want something like this

  http://www.ozonebilliards.com/cuetipshandt.html

to do the rough work, and then use your shaper for the final shape.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

After gluing

Post by Jack » Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:52:52


Quote:
> Now that I have successfully glued a couple of tips on the end of cues,
> there seems to be the issue of shaping.  I took my two sided shaper/scuffer
> pool chalk shape device, and tried to make a round tip.

> I'm going to google and look up what I'm supposed to be coming up with as
> the ideal end shaped tip.  It' seems a ways away from what I'm coming up
> with my thick elkhide tips.

> Is there a good shaper that will give me a rounded tip without working at it
> a lot?  It seems that after a tip is securely glued on to a shaft, that
> there is considerably more work to be done.

This is the tool you want:

http://SportToday.org/

After t*** the sides of the tip flush, which this tip does nicely,
it will shape your tip to a nickel or dime shape.  To shape the tip, you
lay the tool on a table and put the shaft between open hands and spin
the shaft like you were trying to start a fire boy scout style.

I think I paid $20 for mine 10 years ago, so 16 bucks looks good.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://SportToday.org/

 
 
 

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Post by Steve » Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:32:15


Quote:


>> Now that I have successfully glued a couple of tips on the end of cues,
>> there seems to be the issue of shaping.  I took my two sided
>> shaper/scuffer
>> pool chalk shape device, and tried to make a round tip.

> I think you want something like this

>  http://www.ozonebilliards.com/cuetipshandt.html

> to do the rough work, and then use your shaper for the final shape.

> $.02 -Ron Shepard

I have one of these.  When I put a new thick elk hide on, it just looks like
it is fairly flat across the crown, and all the tips I have seen have more
of a roundness to them.   Are you saying to use this sander on the
perpendicular to the shaft, and use the inner radius of the sandpaper to
create a round crown?  I'm sure that there's a device to do this, but if
that sander will work, I already got what I need.

Here's a couple of gizmos.  The first looks like what I may need, and it is
inexpensive.  The second one looks like it does everything but bake bread,
and is expensive.

http://www.ozonebilliards.com/rawqtiptool.html
http://www.ozonebilliards.com/joepobigsh.html

I went to Vegas, and the new pool hall I thought that would have supplies
doesn't.  Will have to wait for another trip to get supplies, or just get
them on the net, as they have the best prices, and deliver, no gas money
involved.

Am setting up a lathe to dress shafts, and do various things, just having
fun playing with my tools and shop.

Steve

 
 
 

After gluing

Post by Steve » Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:35:27


Quote:

>> Now that I have successfully glued a couple of tips on the end of cues,
>> there seems to be the issue of shaping.  I took my two sided
>> shaper/scuffer
>> pool chalk shape device, and tried to make a round tip.

>> I'm going to google and look up what I'm supposed to be coming up with as
>> the ideal end shaped tip.  It' seems a ways away from what I'm coming up
>> with my thick elkhide tips.

>> Is there a good shaper that will give me a rounded tip without working at
>> it
>> a lot?  It seems that after a tip is securely glued on to a shaft, that
>> there is considerably more work to be done.

> This is the tool you want:

> http://SportToday.org/

> After t*** the sides of the tip flush, which this tip does nicely, it
> will shape your tip to a nickel or dime shape.  To shape the tip, you lay
> the tool on a table and put the shaft between open hands and spin the
> shaft like you were trying to start a fire boy scout style.

> I think I paid $20 for mine 10 years ago, so 16 bucks looks good.

> --
> Jack
> Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
> http://SportToday.org/

I just asked the question about the nickel and dime radius, and now think by
your description that I understand it.  It's the radius of the crown when
looked at from the side.  Looks like this is just what I need.

Thanks.

Steve

 
 
 

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Post by Ron Shepar » Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:38:54



Quote:




> >> Now that I have successfully glued a couple of tips on the end of cues,
> >> there seems to be the issue of shaping.  I took my two sided
> >> shaper/scuffer
> >> pool chalk shape device, and tried to make a round tip.

> > I think you want something like this

> >  http://www.ozonebilliards.com/cuetipshandt.html

> > to do the rough work, and then use your shaper for the final shape.

> > $.02 -Ron Shepard

> I have one of these.  When I put a new thick elk hide on, it just looks like
> it is fairly flat across the crown, and all the tips I have seen have more
> of a roundness to them.   Are you saying to use this sander on the
> perpendicular to the shaft, and use the inner radius of the sandpaper to
> create a round crown?  I'm sure that there's a device to do this, but if
> that sander will work, I already got what I need.

I'm not sure how to explain it any differently than I did before.  
You use this tool with rough sandpaper to knock the square edges off
of the tip and to bring it closer to the final nickel/dime radius.  
Then you use your nickel/dime radius tool to finish it off.  There
are a lot of little tools for this.  Here is the one I use most

http://www.muellers.com/Willard-Universal-Tool-Champ-358--Dime-Radius
,6143.html

It is a combination scuffer and tapper.  After you shape the tip
with the scuffer, you will then use the tapper for a year or longer
until the tip wears out.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

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Post by Steve » Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:33:15


Quote:
> http://www.muellers.com/Willard-Universal-Tool-Champ-358--Dime-Radius
> ,6143.html

> $.02 -Ron Shepard

Tried various ways, can't get it to work.  Would like to see it, tho, if you
can provide link.

I know I will need to buy a few "devices".  Just trying to get what I need,
not have duplications, and not spend a lot.

Steve

 
 
 

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Post by Ron Shepar » Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:48:19



Quote:

> > http://www.muellers.com/Willard-Universal-Tool-Champ-358--Dime-Radius
> > ,6143.html

> > $.02 -Ron Shepard

> Tried various ways, can't get it to work.  Would like to see it, tho, if you
> can provide link.

> I know I will need to buy a few "devices".  Just trying to get what I need,
> not have duplications, and not spend a lot.

It looks like an extra carriage return got inserted somewhere in
that link, either by my newsreader when I posted it or by your
reader when you read it. The comma should come right after "Radius".  
Otherwise, just go to the mueller site and click down to tip
maintenance tools, and it is one of the first ones displayed. It
says it is $18.95.  I don't remember paying that much for it.  On
the other hand, it does not wear out like the ones that have
sandpaper inserts.  I've had mine for about 20 years, and it still
works just as well now as it did when it was new.

As others have mentioned, you don't want to use a scuffer shaper
tool routinely on your tip.  You want to shape it once when the new
tip is installed, and then you use just the tapper or a tip pik type
of tool

http://www.muellers.com/Tip-Pik-Tool,2837.html

when necessary to roughen up the leather surface.  There are several
similar tools available, and they all work about the same.  The
interesting thing about this particular one is that the company
originally made steel phonograph needles.  Then in the 60's that
market evaporated when hi-fi and stereo players became popular, so
they looked around for other ways to sell their needles, and this is
one of their niche products that has kept them going since then. I'm
old enough that I can remember those kind of 75 rpm phonographs.

If you are ordering tools, another one I use a lot is the Mushroom
Graser

http://www.muellers.com/Mushroom-Graser,5699.html

If you have a lathe, then you might not need something like this,
but if you want something small to carry with you when you travel,
then this is a pretty good one.  The blades do wear out eventually,
but you can sharpen them or you can replace them with the
appropriate Exacto knife blade (which Mueller also sells).

$.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

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Post by Mark » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 01:37:33


snip

Quote:
>Then in the 60's that
> market evaporated when hi-fi and stereo players became popular, so
> they looked around for other ways to sell their needles, and this is
> one of their niche products that has kept them going since then. I'm
> old enough that I can remember those kind of 75 rpm phonographs.

snip

Every time you played those 75RPM records they sounded like alvin and the
chipmunks?   Or did they sound like Hamsters?

--> Mark0 <-- only had 78RPM record players  :O)

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Post by David » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 01:49:40


Quote:
> Every time you played those 75RPM records they sounded like alvin and the
> chipmunks? ? Or did they sound like Hamsters?

Hamsters can hear (and communicate) in the ultrasonic range. You're
not likely to hear one singing any time soon... if you do, you're
probably a bat.

Incidentally, I use a Tweetens Cue tip sander, Tweetens glue, a ***
Cue Clamp, a Joe Porper Big Shaver, and a tip sander like the one Ron
showed a link to... I think you can get most of the tools in a set
from Tweetens... works for me.

David "The Hamster" Malone

 
 
 

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Post by pltrgys » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 04:27:20


Quote:
>.... I'm old enough that I can remember those kind of 75 rpm phonographs.

Ron, you're so old that your memory has lost a few Hz...

Now if you occasionally listened to Steve Key's great song "33, 45, 78"
you'd have only lost a third of a Hz.  8;)

-- Larry

 
 
 

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Post by Ron Shepar » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:14:58


Quote:


> snip
> >Then in the 60's that
> > market evaporated when hi-fi and stereo players became popular, so
> > they looked around for other ways to sell their needles, and this is
> > one of their niche products that has kept them going since then. I'm
> > old enough that I can remember those kind of 75 rpm phonographs.

> snip

> Every time you played those 75RPM records they sounded like alvin and the
> chipmunks?   Or did they sound like Hamsters?

> --> Mark0 <-- only had 78RPM record players  :O)

Oops, yes, that was a typo.  It looks like we are the only two here
who are old enough to remember.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

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Post by Ron Shepar » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:17:21


Quote:


> >.... I'm old enough that I can remember those kind of 75 rpm phonographs.

> Ron, you're so old that your memory has lost a few Hz...

> Now if you occasionally listened to Steve Key's great song "33, 45, 78"
> you'd have only lost a third of a Hz.  8;)

Ok, here is another one old enough to catch my mistake.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

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Post by PatH » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 20:58:45

I noticed the mistake but what confuses me is the people who "remember".  Heck I still have a 78 rpm record player hooked up to my sound system.  There is a major collectors market for a lot of those old records.

PatH..old enough to have forgotten what he remembers.  definitely older than a certain Hamster

Quote:




> > >.... I'm old enough that I can remember those kind of 75 rpm phonographs.

> > Ron, you're so old that your memory has lost a few Hz...

> > Now if you occasionally listened to Steve Key's great song "33, 45, 78"

> > you'd have only lost a third of a Hz.  8;)

> Ok, here is another one old enough to catch my mistake.

> $.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

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Post by David » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 23:02:45


Quote:
> I noticed the mistake but what confuses me is the people who "remember". ?Heck I still have a 78 rpm record player hooked up to my sound system.

Sound system...? Ha. That orthophonic victrola hooked up to an ear
trumpet hardly qualifies as a 'sound system'...

Quote:
> PatH..old enough to have forgotten what he remembers. ?definitely older than a certain Hamster

How old are you - I've forgotten?

David "The Hamster" Malone