KERSENBROCK BOOK

KERSENBROCK BOOK

Post by Ron de Rueda, » Sun, 24 Nov 2002 02:02:12


D.P.K. MANUAL

THIS AUCTION IS FOR SERIOUS COLLECTORS ONLY.

FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER! DAVID PAUL KERSENBROCK'S MANUAL HAS SURFACED
TO EBAY FOR AUCTION. AS MENTIONED IN THE BLUE BOOK OF POOL CUES ON
PAGE 290 THIS BOOK IS VERY RARE AND SOUGHT AFTER BY MANY CUEMAKERS AND
CUE COLLECTORS AROUND THE WORLD. IT IS IN EXCELLENT SHAPE, THE BINDING
IS PERFECT, AND THE PAGES ARE NOT TINTED AT ALL. THE BOOK WAS STORED
IN A COOL PLACE AWAY FROM ROOM LIGHT AND DAY LIGHT. HERE'S WHAT I
KNOW, DAVID MADE VERY, VERY FEW OF THESE BOOKS AND OFFERED THEM TO
JUST A FEW PEOPLE AT THE VERY FAMOUS CHRIS'S BILLIARDS. THE BOOKS
INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED BY DAVID HIMSELF. THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS
BOOK, DAVID TELLS HOW MACHINES SHOULD BE BUILT, HOW WRAPS SHOULD BE
PUT ON, HOW WOOD SHOULD BE STORED, CUT, TREATED AND FINISHED. HE SHOWS
OF HIS DESIGNS FROM THE EARLY YEARS, TELLS HOW THE NUMBERS SHOULD BE
TO MAKE A CUE WITH HIS TAPER. THIS BOOK CONTAINS 201 PAGES OF CUE
INFORMATION THAT HAS MADE DAVID'S CUE VERY, VERY PLAYABLE AND
COLLECTABLE. DAVID STILL MAKES ABOUT FIVE OR SIX CUES A YEAR STARTING
AT $10,000.00 HERE IN CHICAGO, IL. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ***
BUMPER, DAVID HAND BUILDS EACH AND EVERY PIECE TO HIS CUES HIMSELF,
EVERYTHING. AS YOU CAN SEE THIS BOOK IS SIGNED "BEST WISHS" DATED AND
AUTOGRAPHED BY DAVID PAUL KERSENBROCK. QUOTED, AS THE "BIBLE OF
CUEMAKING" A MUST FOR THE COLLECTOR WITH AN AFFLUENT LIFE STYLE.
FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT DAVID'S INFLUENCE IN THE
CUEMAKING INDUSTRY HAS A SPAN OF AT LEAST THRITY YEARS, HE WAS SELF
EMPLOYED AT KERSENBROCK CUE SERVICE IN LAS VEGAS, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
EXSISTANCE OF SOUTHWEST CUES IN LAS VEGAS, WENT TO CHICAGO AND JOINED
FORCES WITH ED BOADO, FOUNDER OF THE OMEGA/dpk CUE COMPANY AND MIKE
BENDER, LATER ON MIKE WENT TO ALASKA. DAVID STAYED WITH OMEGA/dpk AND
THEY BROUGHT ON BOARD MATT BENDER TO HELP COMPETE THE WORK SHOP. A FEW
YEARS LATER THE OMEGA/dpk PEOPLE STOPPED MAKING CUES, SO DAVID TEAMED
UP WITH LONG TIME FRIEND AND APPRENTICE ED YOUNG. BY THE WAY, JUST A
COUPLE DAYS AGO I WAS TOLD THAT SOME OFFERED A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR
DAVID TO SIGN A SNEAKY PETE AND DAVID SAIDNO

WINNING BIDDER ENJOY THIS TRUE COLLECTABLE

 
 
 

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Post by Ron de Rueda, » Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:46:41

i would like to respond to a few e-mails that where sent to me in
regards to the listing of david's manual on e-bay.  it was listed to
pass on to a collector of such things not as a joke or disrespect to
david or a cry for money.  i took very good care of this book and felt
that it would be great to pass it on.  for those of you that e-mailed
and stated how you felt about the matter, out of respect to all of you
david's book will be removed from e-bay.

respectfully,

ron de rueda ,jr

 
 
 

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Post by WilleeCu » Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:20:26

It is a shame you cant do what you want to with your book.
Some collector would have been very happy to purchase it.

William Lee



Quote:
> i would like to respond to a few e-mails that where sent to me in
> regards to the listing of david's manual on e-bay.  it was listed to
> pass on to a collector of such things not as a joke or disrespect to
> david or a cry for money.  i took very good care of this book and felt
> that it would be great to pass it on.  for those of you that e-mailed
> and stated how you felt about the matter, out of respect to all of you
> david's book will be removed from e-bay.

> respectfully,

> ron de rueda ,jr


 
 
 

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Post by TheFLcuem » Mon, 25 Nov 2002 00:06:22

Crying about getting a book? I just stated the fact that david wrote the book
and sent us copies of it as he wrote the book and then never sent the 2 finally
copies of the finished product!!!!!!!
 
 
 

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Post by WilleeCu » Mon, 25 Nov 2002 00:22:00

I would think that those copies he sent you would be worth a lot more to a
collector than the book itself.
You did save them did'nt you?

William Lee  < ..... thinks he knows what he is talking about but could be
wrong.


Quote:
> Crying about getting a book? I just stated the fact that david wrote the book
> and sent us copies of it as he wrote the book and then never sent the 2
finally
> copies of the finished product!!!!!!!

 
 
 

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Post by John Barto » Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:15:00

The timing and the wording of the listing seemed to coincide with the
interest of the group in Kersenbrock's work at the moment.  It seemed
awfully mercenary but you should be able to list it whenever and for
whatever you want to.

I wasn't going to bid.  But I would pay for $50 for a photocopy, IF it were
alright with David.  Otherwise I would gratefully accept a photocopy as a
gift :-))

John



Quote:
> i would like to respond to a few e-mails that where sent to me in
> regards to the listing of david's manual on e-bay.  it was listed to
> pass on to a collector of such things not as a joke or disrespect to
> david or a cry for money.  i took very good care of this book and felt
> that it would be great to pass it on.  for those of you that e-mailed
> and stated how you felt about the matter, out of respect to all of you
> david's book will be removed from e-bay.

> respectfully,

> ron de rueda ,jr

 
 
 

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Post by WilleeCu » Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:45:08

I am sure others will respond to that copy issue, John, but if David Kersenbrock
has no problem with someone copying his work and selling it then there is no
problem. I would make double sure it was OK with him first.

William Lee


Quote:
> The timing and the wording of the listing seemed to coincide with the
> interest of the group in Kersenbrock's work at the moment.  It seemed
> awfully mercenary but you should be able to list it whenever and for
> whatever you want to.

> I wasn't going to bid.  But I would pay for $50 for a photocopy, IF it were
> alright with David.  Otherwise I would gratefully accept a photocopy as a
> gift :-))

> John



> > i would like to respond to a few e-mails that where sent to me in
> > regards to the listing of david's manual on e-bay.  it was listed to
> > pass on to a collector of such things not as a joke or disrespect to
> > david or a cry for money.  i took very good care of this book and felt
> > that it would be great to pass it on.  for those of you that e-mailed
> > and stated how you felt about the matter, out of respect to all of you
> > david's book will be removed from e-bay.

> > respectfully,

> > ron de rueda ,jr

 
 
 

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Post by Jimbo » Mon, 25 Nov 2002 05:25:48

Quote:
>William Lee  < ..... thinks he knows what he is talking about but could be
>wrong.

Isn't this the truth in every thread.

Jim <----Change "could be" to "IS"

 
 
 

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Post by Jimbo » Mon, 25 Nov 2002 05:30:03

Quote:
> but if David Kersenbrock
>has no problem with someone copying his work and selling it then there is no
>problem. I

I'm not to concerned with what DPK thinks of me copying it, so if you are
willing to pay $50 John we may have to talk. I just hope it doesn't anger the
woods.

Jim<---maybe not

 
 
 

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Post by Deno J. Andrew » Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:53:07

Are you not worried about a copyright violation?

Deno

Quote:

> > but if David Kersenbrock
> >has no problem with someone copying his work and selling it then there is no
> >problem. I

> I'm not to concerned with what DPK thinks of me copying it, so if you are
> willing to pay $50 John we may have to talk. I just hope it doesn't anger the
> woods.

> Jim<---maybe not

 
 
 

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Post by Jimbo » Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:03:20

Deno: >Are you not worried about a copyright violation?

I never thought about it like that Deno, I guess you're right. I think the
reason I never thought about it was because it's not in print and if I did it
it wouldn't be taking money away from anyone. If the book was in print and
someone was selling it I'd never think about doing it, I'd tell the person to
go buy it. But in this case there isn't any that can be bought, and David isn't
making money off of it.

Jim <---Are you calling the cops on me? ;-)

 
 
 

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Post by Deno J. Andrew » Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:51:50

Just because a book is not in print right now, it doesn't mean that
copyright protection is off!  A copyright is a copyright...and you need
not have something in print to be protected by a copyright.  If you were
to make copies and sell them, YOU are making money off of someone else's
work...and that is not only against the law, it is wrong.  You write
probably hundreds of words a week that are protected by copyright laws.
If someone were to take emails that you have written, let's say with
some sort of instruction, and published and sold them, they would be
breaking the law and wronging you.  There are probably thousands of
books that are no longer in print but still protected by copyright
laws.  In fact, even unpublished books covered by copyright laws.

I would not call the police on you for breaking copyright laws.  But the
level of disappointment I would feel in you would be impossible to
describe...that you would take someone's life work, and photocopy it for
a few dollars, without their permission.  That sort of behaviour is just
plain wrong and without even a measurable amount of class, and I hope
that you would refrain from stooping that low.

Deno J. Andrews

Quote:

> Deno: >Are you not worried about a copyright violation?

> I never thought about it like that Deno, I guess you're right. I think the
> reason I never thought about it was because it's not in print and if I did it
> it wouldn't be taking money away from anyone. If the book was in print and
> someone was selling it I'd never think about doing it, I'd tell the person to
> go buy it. But in this case there isn't any that can be bought, and David isn't
> making money off of it.

> Jim <---Are you calling the cops on me? ;-)

 
 
 

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Post by ted harri » Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:28:30

Do you know how to get ahold of David?  I would like to ask him if I can get
one, or make a copy of it?  I met him several times and he showed a lot of
interest in my repair setup.  The first time I met him was in NY at the
straight pool championships back in maybe 1993 or so.  Can't remember the
exact year.  Sometimes when I am at a show, people become seriously
fascinated with watching me work, so I didn't think it was out of the
ordinary for him to be*** around for such a long period.  He stood
there for hours watching me work, and never said a word until I spoke to
him.  Anyways, we got to talking and he told me that the lathe I was using,
which I had totally built from the ground up, was almost the exact same
lathe that he had built about 25 years prior.  At first, I did not believe
him, and was totally insulted.  At the time, the lathe I was using at shows
had more capability than anyone elses, and I thought it was cutting edge.
Looking back, I realize it was almost prehistoric.  Anyway, we talked for a
long while. I was so rattled that I didn't even remember his name.  Hell, at
that time, I didn't even know who David Kersenbrock was!  I just thought he
was some goofball.  Then, I saw him at a later straight pool tournament in
NY, and he started talking to me like he new me, and I did not even remember
him.  He told me the story about before, and then introduced himself as
David Kersenbrock, and I just about shit myself.  We then talked for  a
while, and I completely enjoyed it.  It was a lot easier for me to enjoy, as
it was a couple years later, and I had learned that I basically still new
very little.  By this time I had a better  setup, and a little bit of
knowledge, just enough to be able to have a conversation with him, and
comprehend what was being said (most of it).  Initially, that was the
biggest obstacle; communicating my thoughts to others, and understanding
what they were saying.  By golly when I first went on the road with my
lathe, I din't even know what a cupped center was called.  Most of the stuff
I used was a "thingy," as in; give me that "thingy" over there.  No, not
that thingy, the other one.  I used to go to machine shops and try to
explain what I wanted built, and they would look at me like I was the
goofball.  Now, many of the "thingy's" that I wanted to build are utilized
everyday.  Looking back, I don't even understand how I made it this far.
Man, was I wet behing the ears!
Anyway, that was one of those "thingy's" that I will never forget!  Enough
rambling!

Regards,
--
Ted Harris
http://SportToday.org/


Quote:
> Just because a book is not in print right now, it doesn't mean that
> copyright protection is off!  A copyright is a copyright...and you need
> not have something in print to be protected by a copyright.  If you were
> to make copies and sell them, YOU are making money off of someone else's
> work...and that is not only against the law, it is wrong.  You write
> probably hundreds of words a week that are protected by copyright laws.
> If someone were to take emails that you have written, let's say with
> some sort of instruction, and published and sold them, they would be
> breaking the law and wronging you.  There are probably thousands of
> books that are no longer in print but still protected by copyright
> laws.  In fact, even unpublished books covered by copyright laws.

> I would not call the police on you for breaking copyright laws.  But the
> level of disappointment I would feel in you would be impossible to
> describe...that you would take someone's life work, and photocopy it for
> a few dollars, without their permission.  That sort of behaviour is just
> plain wrong and without even a measurable amount of class, and I hope
> that you would refrain from stooping that low.

> Deno J. Andrews


> > Deno: >Are you not worried about a copyright violation?

> > I never thought about it like that Deno, I guess you're right. I think
the
> > reason I never thought about it was because it's not in print and if I
did it
> > it wouldn't be taking money away from anyone. If the book was in print
and
> > someone was selling it I'd never think about doing it, I'd tell the
person to
> > go buy it. But in this case there isn't any that can be bought, and
David isn't
> > making money off of it.

> > Jim <---Are you calling the cops on me? ;-)

 
 
 

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Post by Deno J. Andrew » Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:40:12

He works with Ed Young...and I don't have the number handy.  Although,
the number has been posted recently in this thread or another thread re
Kersenbrock.  If you call the shop in the early afternoon, you can
probably get him on the phone, since Ed will most likely be at Chris's
Billiards!!!

Deno

Quote:

> Do you know how to get ahold of David?  I would like to ask him if I can get
> one, or make a copy of it?  I met him several times and he showed a lot of
> interest in my repair setup.  The first time I met him was in NY at the
> straight pool championships back in maybe 1993 or so.  Can't remember the
> exact year.  Sometimes when I am at a show, people become seriously
> fascinated with watching me work, so I didn't think it was out of the
> ordinary for him to be*** around for such a long period.  He stood
> there for hours watching me work, and never said a word until I spoke to
> him.  Anyways, we got to talking and he told me that the lathe I was using,
> which I had totally built from the ground up, was almost the exact same
> lathe that he had built about 25 years prior.  At first, I did not believe
> him, and was totally insulted.  At the time, the lathe I was using at shows
> had more capability than anyone elses, and I thought it was cutting edge.
> Looking back, I realize it was almost prehistoric.  Anyway, we talked for a
> long while. I was so rattled that I didn't even remember his name.  Hell, at
> that time, I didn't even know who David Kersenbrock was!  I just thought he
> was some goofball.  Then, I saw him at a later straight pool tournament in
> NY, and he started talking to me like he new me, and I did not even remember
> him.  He told me the story about before, and then introduced himself as
> David Kersenbrock, and I just about shit myself.  We then talked for  a
> while, and I completely enjoyed it.  It was a lot easier for me to enjoy, as
> it was a couple years later, and I had learned that I basically still new
> very little.  By this time I had a better  setup, and a little bit of
> knowledge, just enough to be able to have a conversation with him, and
> comprehend what was being said (most of it).  Initially, that was the
> biggest obstacle; communicating my thoughts to others, and understanding
> what they were saying.  By golly when I first went on the road with my
> lathe, I din't even know what a cupped center was called.  Most of the stuff
> I used was a "thingy," as in; give me that "thingy" over there.  No, not
> that thingy, the other one.  I used to go to machine shops and try to
> explain what I wanted built, and they would look at me like I was the
> goofball.  Now, many of the "thingy's" that I wanted to build are utilized
> everyday.  Looking back, I don't even understand how I made it this far.
> Man, was I wet behing the ears!
> Anyway, that was one of those "thingy's" that I will never forget!  Enough
> rambling!

> Regards,
> --
> Ted Harris
> http://SportToday.org/


> > Just because a book is not in print right now, it doesn't mean that
> > copyright protection is off!  A copyright is a copyright...and you need
> > not have something in print to be protected by a copyright.  If you were
> > to make copies and sell them, YOU are making money off of someone else's
> > work...and that is not only against the law, it is wrong.  You write
> > probably hundreds of words a week that are protected by copyright laws.
> > If someone were to take emails that you have written, let's say with
> > some sort of instruction, and published and sold them, they would be
> > breaking the law and wronging you.  There are probably thousands of
> > books that are no longer in print but still protected by copyright
> > laws.  In fact, even unpublished books covered by copyright laws.

> > I would not call the police on you for breaking copyright laws.  But the
> > level of disappointment I would feel in you would be impossible to
> > describe...that you would take someone's life work, and photocopy it for
> > a few dollars, without their permission.  That sort of behaviour is just
> > plain wrong and without even a measurable amount of class, and I hope
> > that you would refrain from stooping that low.

> > Deno J. Andrews


> > > Deno: >Are you not worried about a copyright violation?

> > > I never thought about it like that Deno, I guess you're right. I think
> the
> > > reason I never thought about it was because it's not in print and if I
> did it
> > > it wouldn't be taking money away from anyone. If the book was in print
> and
> > > someone was selling it I'd never think about doing it, I'd tell the
> person to
> > > go buy it. But in this case there isn't any that can be bought, and
> David isn't
> > > making money off of it.

> > > Jim <---Are you calling the cops on me? ;-)

 
 
 

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Post by Sherm Adamso » Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:47:26

Sounds familiar Ted! I remember when I had to have taps specially made to
work on cues, not to mention taper attachments, and all the other jigs and
fixtures. If you find yourself passing through Cincinnati sometime, Ted,
stop by my shop. I may even have a few tricks that could help you and visa
versa!

Sherm

--
Sherm Custom Billiard Cues by,
Sherman Adamson
3352 Nine Mile Rd., Cincinnati Ohio 45255
Shop (513)553-2172, Cell (513)509-9152
http://SportToday.org/

Quote:
> Do you know how to get ahold of David?  I would like to ask him if I can
get
> one, or make a copy of it?  I met him several times and he showed a lot of
> interest in my repair setup.  The first time I met him was in NY at the
> straight pool championships back in maybe 1993 or so.  Can't remember the
> exact year.  Sometimes when I am at a show, people become seriously
> fascinated with watching me work, so I didn't think it was out of the
> ordinary for him to be*** around for such a long period.  He stood
> there for hours watching me work, and never said a word until I spoke to
> him.  Anyways, we got to talking and he told me that the lathe I was
using,
> which I had totally built from the ground up, was almost the exact same
> lathe that he had built about 25 years prior.  At first, I did not believe
> him, and was totally insulted.  At the time, the lathe I was using at
shows
> had more capability than anyone elses, and I thought it was cutting edge.
> Looking back, I realize it was almost prehistoric.  Anyway, we talked for
a
> long while. I was so rattled that I didn't even remember his name.  Hell,
at
> that time, I didn't even know who David Kersenbrock was!  I just thought
he
> was some goofball.  Then, I saw him at a later straight pool tournament in
> NY, and he started talking to me like he new me, and I did not even
remember
> him.  He told me the story about before, and then introduced himself as
> David Kersenbrock, and I just about shit myself.  We then talked for  a
> while, and I completely enjoyed it.  It was a lot easier for me to enjoy,
as
> it was a couple years later, and I had learned that I basically still new
> very little.  By this time I had a better  setup, and a little bit of
> knowledge, just enough to be able to have a conversation with him, and
> comprehend what was being said (most of it).  Initially, that was the
> biggest obstacle; communicating my thoughts to others, and understanding
> what they were saying.  By golly when I first went on the road with my
> lathe, I din't even know what a cupped center was called.  Most of the
stuff
> I used was a "thingy," as in; give me that "thingy" over there.  No, not
> that thingy, the other one.  I used to go to machine shops and try to
> explain what I wanted built, and they would look at me like I was the
> goofball.  Now, many of the "thingy's" that I wanted to build are utilized
> everyday.  Looking back, I don't even understand how I made it this far.
> Man, was I wet behing the ears!
> Anyway, that was one of those "thingy's" that I will never forget!  Enough
> rambling!

> Regards,
> --
> Ted Harris
> http://SportToday.org/


> > Just because a book is not in print right now, it doesn't mean that
> > copyright protection is off!  A copyright is a copyright...and you need
> > not have something in print to be protected by a copyright.  If you were
> > to make copies and sell them, YOU are making money off of someone else's
> > work...and that is not only against the law, it is wrong.  You write
> > probably hundreds of words a week that are protected by copyright laws.
> > If someone were to take emails that you have written, let's say with
> > some sort of instruction, and published and sold them, they would be
> > breaking the law and wronging you.  There are probably thousands of
> > books that are no longer in print but still protected by copyright
> > laws.  In fact, even unpublished books covered by copyright laws.

> > I would not call the police on you for breaking copyright laws.  But the
> > level of disappointment I would feel in you would be impossible to
> > describe...that you would take someone's life work, and photocopy it for
> > a few dollars, without their permission.  That sort of behaviour is just
> > plain wrong and without even a measurable amount of class, and I hope
> > that you would refrain from stooping that low.

> > Deno J. Andrews


> > > Deno: >Are you not worried about a copyright violation?

> > > I never thought about it like that Deno, I guess you're right. I think
> the
> > > reason I never thought about it was because it's not in print and if I
> did it
> > > it wouldn't be taking money away from anyone. If the book was in print
> and
> > > someone was selling it I'd never think about doing it, I'd tell the
> person to
> > > go buy it. But in this case there isn't any that can be bought, and
> David isn't
> > > making money off of it.

> > > Jim <---Are you calling the cops on me? ;-)