Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Post by Mike Pa » Mon, 04 Dec 2000 04:00:00


I broke 40 times from the same side (the side with the X) with the balls
ordered the same way every time.  Here are the results for what went in.

  X

    1
   3 2
  5 9 4
   7 6
    8

6 ball XXXXXXXXXXXX
1 ball XXXXXXXXXX
5 ball XXXXXXXXXX
8 ball XXXX
7 ball XX
4 ball X
3 ball
2 ball
9 ball

The 2, 3, and 9 never went in. The 4 went in only once.

The 6 ball went in 12 times, mostly straight into the corner.

The one ball went in 10 times, several times directly into the side pocket
and several times just missing in the side and going one rail into the
corner I broke from.

This supports what others have said-that you want to put your opponent's
money ball in the 2 or 3 location.

--
mike page
fargo

 
 
 

Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Post by Patrick Johnso » Mon, 04 Dec 2000 04:00:00

I was hoping you'd do this eventually, Mike.  I don't even mind that you left
a million variables untested (what, no titanium break stick?), but there is
one I'd try:  break 40 times from the other side of the table (setting the
balls up in mirror image order).  By then I'll think up another reason not to
accept the results.

Pat Johnson
Chicago

Quote:

> I broke 40 times from the same side (the side with the X) with the balls
> ordered the same way every time.  Here are the results for what went in.

>   X

>     1
>    3 2
>   5 9 4
>    7 6
>     8

> 6 ball XXXXXXXXXXXX
> 1 ball XXXXXXXXXX
> 5 ball XXXXXXXXXX
> 8 ball XXXX
> 7 ball XX
> 4 ball X
> 3 ball
> 2 ball
> 9 ball

> The 2, 3, and 9 never went in. The 4 went in only once.

> The 6 ball went in 12 times, mostly straight into the corner.

> The one ball went in 10 times, several times directly into the side pocket
> and several times just missing in the side and going one rail into the
> corner I broke from.

> This supports what others have said-that you want to put your opponent's
> money ball in the 2 or 3 location.

> --
> mike page
> fargo


 
 
 

Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Post by sam » Mon, 04 Dec 2000 04:00:00

Mike, May I assume you are doing your homework?  Ha Ha  :o)  Sincerely, Sam


Quote:
> I broke 40 times from the same side (the side with the X) with the balls
> ordered the same way every time.  Here are the results for what went in.

>   X

>     1
>    3 2
>   5 9 4
>    7 6
>     8

> 6 ball XXXXXXXXXXXX
> 1 ball XXXXXXXXXX
> 5 ball XXXXXXXXXX
> 8 ball XXXX
> 7 ball XX
> 4 ball X
> 3 ball
> 2 ball
> 9 ball

> The 2, 3, and 9 never went in. The 4 went in only once.

> The 6 ball went in 12 times, mostly straight into the corner.

> The one ball went in 10 times, several times directly into the side pocket
> and several times just missing in the side and going one rail into the
> corner I broke from.

> This supports what others have said-that you want to put your opponent's
> money ball in the 2 or 3 location.

> --
> mike page
> fargo


 
 
 

Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Post by barenad » Mon, 04 Dec 2000 04:00:00

Okay, same experiment, but I break from the side rail, adjusting my speed to
make the wing ball, here are my results for 40 racks:

5 ball: 31 (28 directly into the intended corner, 3 into the other corner)
1 ball: 19 (17 directly into the side, 2 cross-corner back to near where the
cueball started)
2 ball: 15 (cross-side)
8 ball: 4 (kicked into a corner at foot of table)
7 ball: 3 (kicked into the closest corner)
4 ball: 0
3 ball: 0
6 ball: 1 (kicked into the closest corner)
9 ball: 2 (kicked once into each corner at foot of table)

The 2 ball seems to me to be the most consistent ball after the 5 and the 9.  If
it doesn't bank cross-side it comes awful close, and often ends up sitting next
to that side pocket.  Compared to the 2 ball the 1 ball seems almost random,
depending on how (if at all) if hits the points of the side pocket.

--
Dave


Quote:
> I broke 40 times from the same side (the side with the X) with the balls
> ordered the same way every time.  Here are the results for what went in.

>   X

>     1
>    3 2
>   5 9 4
>    7 6
>     8

> 6 ball XXXXXXXXXXXX
> 1 ball XXXXXXXXXX
> 5 ball XXXXXXXXXX
> 8 ball XXXX
> 7 ball XX
> 4 ball X
> 3 ball
> 2 ball
> 9 ball

> The 2, 3, and 9 never went in. The 4 went in only once.

> The 6 ball went in 12 times, mostly straight into the corner.

> The one ball went in 10 times, several times directly into the side pocket
> and several times just missing in the side and going one rail into the
> corner I broke from.

> This supports what others have said-that you want to put your opponent's
> money ball in the 2 or 3 location.

> --
> mike page
> fargo

 
 
 

Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Post by Mike Pa » Tue, 05 Dec 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Mike, May I assume you are doing your homework?  Ha Ha  :o)  Sincerely, Sam

lol.  you caught me.

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fargo

 
 
 

Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Post by Thomas Boerne » Tue, 05 Dec 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Okay, same experiment, but I break from the side rail, adjusting my speed to
> make the wing ball, here are my results for 40 racks:

> 5 ball: 31 (28 directly into the intended corner, 3 into the other corner)

What? You made the 5-ball 31 times out of 40? You must be a PRO! You made 75 balls
on 40 break shots ... sorry, I can't believe that. That's nearly 2 balls on each
break!!! I wouldn't expect Earl Strickland or Francisco Bustamente to be able to do
that, and they have the best breaks of all top players.

I usually make a ball on the break 5-6 times out of 10 or even worse ... and I think
that's not too bad :-((

Regards, Thomas

 
 
 

Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Post by barenad » Tue, 05 Dec 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
Thomas Boerner wrote...

> > 5 ball: 31 (28 directly into the intended corner, 3 into the other corner)

> What? You made the 5-ball 31 times out of 40? You must be a PRO!

Not hardly.  I suck like everyone else here.

Quote:
> You made 75 balls on 40 break shots ... sorry, I can't believe that.

There are a couple of resons for my break working so well.  The main reason is
that I have my own table. I'm the only one who plays on it.  Since I have the
rack position marked on the cloth I can rack them exactly the same every time.
I don't have a Sardo rack but I do get them frozen.  In other words, my racks
are as consistent as they can be.

Also, I'm playing my speed to pocket that wing ball.  This, for me on my table,
means a softer break.  I can be a lot more consistent hitting softly than I can
by slamming the balls.  I'd say the speed I use is about 3 table lengths worth.

So I have a consistent frozen rack, and I hit it with a consistent speed into a
consistent spot on the head ball.  What exactly is your problem with
consistently making a ball?  Have you ever seen the pros play on ESPN?

When I play on other tables I don't have very much success with the corner-ball
break, so I usually end up slamming the balls and taking what I can get.  My
success rate is a lot lower.

Quote:
> I usually make a ball on the break 5-6 times out of 10 or even worse ... and I
think
> that's not too bad :-((

I'd say my average when slamming the balls is a little lower than that.

--
Dave

 
 
 

Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Post by Thomas Boerne » Wed, 06 Dec 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> There are a couple of resons for my break working so well.  The main reason is
> that I have my own table. I'm the only one who plays on it.  Since I have the
> rack position marked on the cloth I can rack them exactly the same every time.
> I don't have a Sardo rack but I do get them frozen.  In other words, my racks
> are as consistent as they can be.

OK, this explains a lot!

Quote:
> So I have a consistent frozen rack, and I hit it with a consistent speed into a
> consistent spot on the head ball.  What exactly is your problem with
> consistently making a ball?  Have you ever seen the pros play on ESPN?

The reason is, that I don't play on the same table all the time. I often change
tables and I have to adjust every time I do that. Additionally I don't play 9-ball
too often, so my break lacks consistency because of changing the table AND not
really working on my break often enough. As you said it's hard to have a consistent
break when changing the tables. I heard that the pros go to a billard hall one or
two days before a big tournament, just to practice and adjust their break shots for
some hours. I think this is reasonable and a very good choice, because in pro
9-ball, the break shot is the most important shot in the game. Running an open table
is an easy job for the pros, even if they are not used to the table.

BTW, you did a great job at home on your own table. The result you posted is
amazing!

Best regards, Thomas

P.S. Unfortunately I can't watch ESPN, because I don't have a satellite receiver,
and you don't get the channel here in Germany without one. But I saw many of the
pros matches on Accustats tapes! And in the area of Munich are lots of players that
play very high level pool, and I often watch them!

 
 
 

Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Post by Mike Pa » Wed, 06 Dec 2000 04:00:00


Quote:

> Okay, same experiment, but I break from the side rail, adjusting my speed to
> make the wing ball, here are my results for 40 racks:

> 5 ball: 31 (28 directly into the intended corner, 3 into the other corner)
> 1 ball: 19 (17 directly into the side, 2 cross-corner back to near where the
> cueball started)
> 2 ball: 15 (cross-side)
> 8 ball: 4 (kicked into a corner at foot of table)
> 7 ball: 3 (kicked into the closest corner)
> 4 ball: 0
> 3 ball: 0
> 6 ball: 1 (kicked into the closest corner)
> 9 ball: 2 (kicked once into each corner at foot of table)

> The 2 ball seems to me to be the most consistent ball after the 5 and
the 9.  If
> it doesn't bank cross-side it comes awful close, and often ends up
sitting next
> to that side pocket.  Compared to the 2 ball the 1 ball seems almost random,
> depending on how (if at all) if hits the points of the side pocket.

Hmmm,
I broke 40 times and made 45 balls;
You broke 40 times and made 75 balls.  

Hey, wait a minute!  Weren't you lead counsel for the
balls-made-on-the-break-should-count-in-FARGO movement?

--
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fargo

 
 
 

Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Post by SSCS » Wed, 06 Dec 2000 04:00:00

Actually Thomas I know why Dave does so well on the breaks. Like he said it
was his home table. It has***in legs. So he just lowers the furthest
corner when he breaks. He usually makes 8 balls on the break. I guess he
didn't have it lowered enough this time...

SSCS<----Building a mechanical tilting system into my table for when I
break...


Quote:

> Thomas Boerner wrote...

> > > 5 ball: 31 (28 directly into the intended corner, 3 into the other
corner)

> > What? You made the 5-ball 31 times out of 40? You must be a PRO!

> Not hardly.  I suck like everyone else here.

> > You made 75 balls on 40 break shots ... sorry, I can't believe that.

> There are a couple of resons for my break working so well.  The main
reason is
> that I have my own table. I'm the only one who plays on it.  Since I have
the
> rack position marked on the cloth I can rack them exactly the same every
time.
> I don't have a Sardo rack but I do get them frozen.  In other words, my
racks
> are as consistent as they can be.

> Also, I'm playing my speed to pocket that wing ball.  This, for me on my
table,
> means a softer break.  I can be a lot more consistent hitting softly than
I can
> by slamming the balls.  I'd say the speed I use is about 3 table lengths
worth.

> So I have a consistent frozen rack, and I hit it with a consistent speed
into a
> consistent spot on the head ball.  What exactly is your problem with
> consistently making a ball?  Have you ever seen the pros play on ESPN?

> When I play on other tables I don't have very much success with the
corner-ball
> break, so I usually end up slamming the balls and taking what I can get.
My
> success rate is a lot lower.

> > I usually make a ball on the break 5-6 times out of 10 or even worse ...
and I
> think
> > that's not too bad :-((

> I'd say my average when slamming the balls is a little lower than that.

> --
> Dave

 
 
 

Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Post by donald tee » Wed, 06 Dec 2000 04:00:00

That sounds better than my method.  I tried wrapping an elastic band
around each ball, stretching it to a pocket, then sticking the balls
onto the table with just enough glue that I could break the bond with
the cueball.  They still would not go in.  The elastics keep breaking.
Damn.

Quote:

>Actually Thomas I know why Dave does so well on the breaks. Like he said it
>was his home table. It has***in legs. So he just lowers the furthest
>corner when he breaks. He usually makes 8 balls on the break. I guess he
>didn't have it lowered enough this time...

>SSCS<----Building a mechanical tilting system into my table for when I
>break...



>> Thomas Boerner wrote...

>> > > 5 ball: 31 (28 directly into the intended corner, 3 into the other
>corner)

>> > What? You made the 5-ball 31 times out of 40? You must be a PRO!

>> Not hardly.  I suck like everyone else here.

>> > You made 75 balls on 40 break shots ... sorry, I can't believe that.

>> There are a couple of resons for my break working so well.  The main
>reason is
>> that I have my own table. I'm the only one who plays on it.  Since I have
>the
>> rack position marked on the cloth I can rack them exactly the same every
>time.
>> I don't have a Sardo rack but I do get them frozen.  In other words, my
>racks
>> are as consistent as they can be.

>> Also, I'm playing my speed to pocket that wing ball.  This, for me on my
>table,
>> means a softer break.  I can be a lot more consistent hitting softly than
>I can
>> by slamming the balls.  I'd say the speed I use is about 3 table lengths
>worth.

>> So I have a consistent frozen rack, and I hit it with a consistent speed
>into a
>> consistent spot on the head ball.  What exactly is your problem with
>> consistently making a ball?  Have you ever seen the pros play on ESPN?

>> When I play on other tables I don't have very much success with the
>corner-ball
>> break, so I usually end up slamming the balls and taking what I can get.
>My
>> success rate is a lot lower.

>> > I usually make a ball on the break 5-6 times out of 10 or even worse
...
>and I
>> think
>> > that's not too bad :-((

>> I'd say my average when slamming the balls is a little lower than that.

>> --
>> Dave

 
 
 

Which balls go in on 9-ball break

Post by barenad » Wed, 06 Dec 2000 04:00:00

No no no.  You've all got it wrong.  The secret is big pockets.  Really big
pockets.  It's amazing what a Saws-All and a jackhammer can do for your game.

--
Dave


Quote:
> That sounds better than my method.  I tried wrapping an elastic band
> around each ball, stretching it to a pocket, then sticking the balls
> onto the table with just enough glue that I could break the bond with
> the cueball.  They still would not go in.  The elastics keep breaking.
> Damn.


> >Actually Thomas I know why Dave does so well on the breaks. Like he said it
> >was his home table. It has***in legs. So he just lowers the furthest
> >corner when he breaks. He usually makes 8 balls on the break. I guess he
> >didn't have it lowered enough this time...

> >SSCS<----Building a mechanical tilting system into my table for when I
> >break...



> >> Thomas Boerner wrote...

> >> > > 5 ball: 31 (28 directly into the intended corner, 3 into the other
> >corner)

> >> > What? You made the 5-ball 31 times out of 40? You must be a PRO!

> >> Not hardly.  I suck like everyone else here.

> >> > You made 75 balls on 40 break shots ... sorry, I can't believe that.

> >> There are a couple of resons for my break working so well.  The main
> >reason is
> >> that I have my own table. I'm the only one who plays on it.  Since I have
> >the
> >> rack position marked on the cloth I can rack them exactly the same every
> >time.
> >> I don't have a Sardo rack but I do get them frozen.  In other words, my
> >racks
> >> are as consistent as they can be.

> >> Also, I'm playing my speed to pocket that wing ball.  This, for me on my
> >table,
> >> means a softer break.  I can be a lot more consistent hitting softly than
> >I can
> >> by slamming the balls.  I'd say the speed I use is about 3 table lengths
> >worth.

> >> So I have a consistent frozen rack, and I hit it with a consistent speed
> >into a
> >> consistent spot on the head ball.  What exactly is your problem with
> >> consistently making a ball?  Have you ever seen the pros play on ESPN?

> >> When I play on other tables I don't have very much success with the
> >corner-ball
> >> break, so I usually end up slamming the balls and taking what I can get.
> >My
> >> success rate is a lot lower.

> >> > I usually make a ball on the break 5-6 times out of 10 or even worse
> ...
> >and I
> >> think
> >> > that's not too bad :-((

> >> I'd say my average when slamming the balls is a little lower than that.

> >> --
> >> Dave