RECORD: Making a ball on the break in one pocket.

RECORD: Making a ball on the break in one pocket.

Post by Joey » Wed, 03 Nov 2004 06:29:21


I had a memorable evening the other night when a road player was passing
through town.  For three games in a row while breaking, I made the end ball
three times in a row.  I don't ever recall making it conseutively, that
often before.

What is your record for consecutively making the end ball on the break
playing one pocket?

FTR, I never broke and ran eight balls in any of those three games.  The
road player was a nine ball player not a one pocket player.  It was uncanny
the way the end ball kept finding the hole.

Regards,
JoeyA

 
 
 

RECORD: Making a ball on the break in one pocket.

Post by misterpool » Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:07:31

Quote:

> I had a memorable evening the other night when a road player was
passing
> through town.  For three games in a row while breaking, I made the
end ball
> three times in a row.  I don't ever recall making it conseutively,
that
> often before.

Was this rack your own? If so, what was the road players reaction?

 
 
 

RECORD: Making a ball on the break in one pocket.

Post by misterpool » Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:07:19

Quote:

> I had a memorable evening the other night when a road player was
passing
> through town.  For three games in a row while breaking, I made the
end ball
> three times in a row.  I don't ever recall making it conseutively,
that
> often before.

Was this rack your own? If so, what was the road players reaction?

 
 
 

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Post by Bob Jewet » Wed, 03 Nov 2004 07:53:14

Quote:

> What is your record for consecutively making the end ball on
> the break playing one pocket?

Well, I don't think I've ever seen two in a row, but over in
another forum -- or was it this one?  -- there was a report of a
player making a ball on the break and running out and then his
opponent did the same thing, and neither of them had ever run out
from the break before.

--

Bob Jewett
http://www.sfbilliards.com/

 
 
 

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Post by Ricky W. Kin » Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:21:23

I've only just barely started playing one-pocket. The fellow teaching me
tells me to break softly on the side of the pack and to knock balls toward
my pocket and away from his. Should I try a harder break and attempt to make
a ball on the break? I have never seen the guy working with me make a ball
on the break playing one-pocket.
--
Ricky W. King AIFD, SCCPF, NCCPF, FTD Master Designer

 
 
 

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Post by Roger Orsula » Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:05:49

Ricky:

Here's my assessment of how hard you have to hit them.

Hard enough to move a number of balls toward your pocket.
Hard enough that the cue ball comes up to about the second or third diamond
on your opponent's side of the table so that he doesn't have a shot to move
the balls that you moved to your side of the table.
Not so hard as to move balls toward your opponent's pocket.

This may seem a little nebulous, but if you keep these in mind and look the
table over after you break, I think you'll get a sense in time.

Roger - has so very much to learn about 1P.



Quote:

> I've only just barely started playing one-pocket. The fellow teaching me
> tells me to break softly on the side of the pack and to knock balls toward
> my pocket and away from his. Should I try a harder break and attempt to
> make a ball on the break? I have never seen the guy working with me make a
> ball on the break playing one-pocket.
> --
> Ricky W. King AIFD, SCCPF, NCCPF, FTD Master Designer

 
 
 

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Post by Patrick Johnso » Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:51:24

Quote:

> Hard enough that the cue ball comes up to about the second or third diamond

This is the only measure necessary (second diamond is best - leaves no
banks).

Pat Johnson
Chicago

 
 
 

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Post by lfiguero » Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:47:47

My target is on the ***, at 2 1/2 diamonds.

Lou Figueroa


Quote:

> > Hard enough that the cue ball comes up to about the second or third
diamond

> This is the only measure necessary (second diamond is best - leaves no
> banks).

> Pat Johnson
> Chicago

 
 
 

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Post by Patrick Johnso » Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:24:45

Quote:

> My target is on the ***, at 2 1/2 diamonds.

It seems obvious why freezing the CB to the *** is best (severely
limits CB control options, and therefore shot options, on the return
shot), but how high on the side rail to leave the CB isn't as obvious.
You're a much more experienced player than I am (being so much older),
so I'm betting your 2-1/2 diamonds is really better than my 2 diamonds,
and I wonder why.

In addition to wanting to simply block shots at the balls closest to my
pocket, I want to leave the CB where it has the fewest bank/safety
opportunities both over the rack and under it.  This means not only
hiding balls from the CB's view, but also leaving less-than-optimal shot
angles on the balls that are visible so the CB can't easily be left
hooked near my pocket or on my side of the rack.

Leaving the CB higher on the rail makes the over-the-rack shot angles
better, but the under-the-rack shot angles worse.  Is this the general
tradeoff you're thinking of when you choose 2 1/2 diamonds rather than
2?  What else?

Pat Johnson
Chicago

 
 
 

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Post by Joey » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:44:55

No, my opponent was racking on my break.
His *** expression was one of increasing astonishment as was mine.
JoeyA


Quote:


>> I had a memorable evening the other night when a road player was
> passing
>> through town.  For three games in a row while breaking, I made the
> end ball
>> three times in a row.  I don't ever recall making it conseutively,
> that
>> often before.

> Was this rack your own? If so, what was the road players reaction?

 
 
 

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Post by fastlarry.. » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 02:31:01

Quote:


> > Hard enough that the cue ball comes up to about the second or third diamond

> This is the only measure necessary (second diamond is best - leaves no
> banks).

> Pat Johnson
> Chicago

*********************************************************
Mosconi hated this game with a passion and would not play it.  His
reasons I shall not state here, the one holers know what his opinion
of the game was.  Fatty left NYC & came for him in Philly and would
not play straight, only one hole.  Willie wanted him bad so he
relented and would break, make a ball and run out.  Game after game it
was 8 and out, 8 and out, over and over.  Fatty never got to shoot and
ran out of money so he calls Burt in NYC saying wire down some more
loot as I am experiencing a temporary cash flow problem at the moment.
 Burt goes what's going on, you are supposed to take him as this is
not his game and you are master of it.
Fatty goes, well dis bum don't know nuttin about da game, he's does
not understand any of da intricasies involved in it and how to play
safe.  Not understandin any of dis he just keeps going 8 and out, 8
and out.  Soon he will figure da game out and den I will have him on
da ropes.
Fatty left town broke.

FL.

 
 
 

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Post by Alex Kanapil » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 09:51:16

Quote:


> > My target is on the ***, at 2 1/2 diamonds.

> It seems obvious why freezing the CB to the *** is best (severely
> limits CB control options, and therefore shot options, on the return
> shot), but how high on the side rail to leave the CB isn't as obvious.
> You're a much more experienced player than I am (being so much older),
> so I'm betting your 2-1/2 diamonds is really better than my 2 diamonds,
> and I wonder why.

> In addition to wanting to simply block shots at the balls closest to my
> pocket, I want to leave the CB where it has the fewest bank/safety
> opportunities both over the rack and under it.  This means not only
> hiding balls from the CB's view, but also leaving less-than-optimal shot
> angles on the balls that are visible so the CB can't easily be left
> hooked near my pocket or on my side of the rack.

> Leaving the CB higher on the rail makes the over-the-rack shot angles
> better, but the under-the-rack shot angles worse.  Is this the general
> tradeoff you're thinking of when you choose 2 1/2 diamonds rather than
> 2?  What else?

> Pat Johnson
> Chicago

I think 2.5 diamonds is better because it blocks more of the
clearouts. I think at 2 diamonds, you still have a chance to get under
the rack and clear out some shots going rail first, depending on the
spread of course.

I have a hard time getting the ball up to 2.5 diamonds for some reason
though. It seems hitting it that hard is just a bit outside of my
comfort level. Leaving it on (or withing 1.2" or so of) the rail is
getting a bit easier for me now days.

Alex <-- ran 8 and out for the 2nd time the other day! Had a 7 and out
earlier that same session.

 
 
 

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Post by lfiguero » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:17:09

Hit the cue ball a bit higher and you'll get to 2 1/2.

Lou Figueroa



Quote:

> > > My target is on the ***, at 2 1/2 diamonds.

> > It seems obvious why freezing the CB to the *** is best (severely
> > limits CB control options, and therefore shot options, on the return
> > shot), but how high on the side rail to leave the CB isn't as obvious.
> > You're a much more experienced player than I am (being so much older),
> > so I'm betting your 2-1/2 diamonds is really better than my 2 diamonds,
> > and I wonder why.

> > In addition to wanting to simply block shots at the balls closest to my
> > pocket, I want to leave the CB where it has the fewest bank/safety
> > opportunities both over the rack and under it.  This means not only
> > hiding balls from the CB's view, but also leaving less-than-optimal shot
> > angles on the balls that are visible so the CB can't easily be left
> > hooked near my pocket or on my side of the rack.

> > Leaving the CB higher on the rail makes the over-the-rack shot angles
> > better, but the under-the-rack shot angles worse.  Is this the general
> > tradeoff you're thinking of when you choose 2 1/2 diamonds rather than
> > 2?  What else?

> > Pat Johnson
> > Chicago

> I think 2.5 diamonds is better because it blocks more of the
> clearouts. I think at 2 diamonds, you still have a chance to get under
> the rack and clear out some shots going rail first, depending on the
> spread of course.

> I have a hard time getting the ball up to 2.5 diamonds for some reason
> though. It seems hitting it that hard is just a bit outside of my
> comfort level. Leaving it on (or withing 1.2" or so of) the rail is
> getting a bit easier for me now days.

> Alex <-- ran 8 and out for the 2nd time the other day! Had a 7 and out
> earlier that same session.

 
 
 

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Post by lfiguero » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:16:49

IMO, on most service returns, you can expect a safety and/or a take-out
shot.

IOW, it's unusual (unlucky) to leave a guy a decent bank after the break.
Since it's too unpredictable to try and guard against a bank, I  think the
higher priority should be to guard against a good return safety (cue ball
near your own hole) AND having your opponent remove balls near your pocket.
The 21/2 makes it tougher for your opponent to get the cue ball close to
your pocket for either purpose.

Also, there's the margin of error factor.  1/2 diamond short or long and
you're still OK.  If you shoot for 2 and end up short, 1 1/2 is generally
not going to be good for you.

Lou Figueroa


Quote:

> > My target is on the ***, at 2 1/2 diamonds.

> It seems obvious why freezing the CB to the *** is best (severely
> limits CB control options, and therefore shot options, on the return
> shot), but how high on the side rail to leave the CB isn't as obvious.
> You're a much more experienced player than I am (being so much older),
> so I'm betting your 2-1/2 diamonds is really better than my 2 diamonds,
> and I wonder why.

> In addition to wanting to simply block shots at the balls closest to my
> pocket, I want to leave the CB where it has the fewest bank/safety
> opportunities both over the rack and under it.  This means not only
> hiding balls from the CB's view, but also leaving less-than-optimal shot
> angles on the balls that are visible so the CB can't easily be left
> hooked near my pocket or on my side of the rack.

> Leaving the CB higher on the rail makes the over-the-rack shot angles
> better, but the under-the-rack shot angles worse.  Is this the general
> tradeoff you're thinking of when you choose 2 1/2 diamonds rather than
> 2?  What else?

> Pat Johnson
> Chicago

 
 
 

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Post by Joey » Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:29:09

out for the 2nd time the other day! Had a 7 and out

Quote:
> earlier that same session.

Maybe I should be asking you for weight..........
JoeyA