QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by Smorgass Bor » Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:00:00


I've only gotten two responses to this post.
Shirley you lurkers & posters can do better than that...  IMO  (Sven,
HOW many people read this group??)


Construction  
??? ? This question is mainly for cuemakers or ebony cue
owners,but of course anyone with an opinion may jump right in.....
???? ? The captain of my Monday night pool league team has
bought a new custom made cue (made for him) that is made from ebony with
pink ivory floating points. The forearm,***sleeve and ***cap are all
ebony. (This is NOT 'my' cue or an Arnot Cue)
??? ? When my friend shoots with his beautiful new cue,it
shoots,feels and 'sounds' perfect, however when he holds it close to the
bottom of the wrap and taps his cue against the heel of his other hand
his cue makes a 'sound' similar to a split,cracked or loose piece of
wood (kind of a 'reverberation). At least that's the way that it sounds
to us and a few others that he has shown his cue to. I've experienced
this sound when using cues from the rack in bars.You pick the best
looking of the bunch and if you tap it against your other hand you can
detect this sound. I think it's from people that chalk up and then hit
the cue on the side of the table to knock excess chalk off. Huh?
Some of us do the same with baseball bats (hold them at the big end and
tap the bottom on the ground or our palm to detect a 'split' sound).
??? ? The cuemaker says that using the *** wood 'ebony' is
the cause for this. That unlike other *** woods,this phenomena is
inherent in 'some' ebony butts. This 'sound', which sounded as if it
were coming from just above the wrap is now also noticeable in the ***
cap. The cuemaker said that since it doesn't make this sound while
shooting or playing with the cue that that there is no actual problem
with the cue and nothing to 'be fixed'.  The cuemaker (who knows that I
am posting this message) said that he would of course stand behind his
work and fix any problem that arises,but cannot find a/the problem with
this cue.He said that a few of the many ebony cues that he has made have
experienced this sound if hit hard from the side with your hand.
??? ? This cuemaker either is friends with or worked with (I
forget which) Rico,Wayne Gunn and Rocky Tillis among others and makes a
great looking cue.  
??? ? Have any of you ever experienced this problem? How did you
fix it? Is it no big deal?
Does it happen with ebony more than any other wood?
Thanks,
???????????????????????

                                        Doug W.
~>*)))><  Big fish eat Little fish ><(((*<~

 
 
 

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by sam » Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Smorg, you may get more responses if you stop calling us Shirley!! Ha Ha  I
would love to contribute but you are way over my head.  Sincerely, Sam

I've only gotten two responses to this post.
Shirley you lurkers & posters can do better than that...  IMO  (Sven,
HOW many people read this group??)


Construction
This question is mainly for cuemakers or ebony cue
owners,but of course anyone with an opinion may jump right in.....
The captain of my Monday night pool league team has
bought a new custom made cue (made for him) that is made from ebony with
pink ivory floating points. The forearm,***sleeve and ***cap are all
ebony. (This is NOT 'my' cue or an Arnot Cue)
When my friend shoots with his beautiful new cue,it
shoots,feels and 'sounds' perfect, however when he holds it close to the
bottom of the wrap and taps his cue against the heel of his other hand
his cue makes a 'sound' similar to a split,cracked or loose piece of
wood (kind of a 'reverberation). At least that's the way that it sounds
to us and a few others that he has shown his cue to. I've experienced
this sound when using cues from the rack in bars.You pick the best
looking of the bunch and if you tap it against your other hand you can
detect this sound. I think it's from people that chalk up and then hit
the cue on the side of the table to knock excess chalk off. Huh?
Some of us do the same with baseball bats (hold them at the big end and
tap the bottom on the ground or our palm to detect a 'split' sound).
The cuemaker says that using the *** wood 'ebony' is
the cause for this. That unlike other *** woods,this phenomena is
inherent in 'some' ebony butts. This 'sound', which sounded as if it
were coming from just above the wrap is now also noticeable in the ***
cap. The cuemaker said that since it doesn't make this sound while
shooting or playing with the cue that that there is no actual problem
with the cue and nothing to 'be fixed'.  The cuemaker (who knows that I
am posting this message) said that he would of course stand behind his
work and fix any problem that arises,but cannot find a/the problem with
this cue.He said that a few of the many ebony cues that he has made have
experienced this sound if hit hard from the side with your hand.
This cuemaker either is friends with or worked with (I
forget which) Rico,Wayne Gunn and Rocky Tillis among others and makes a
great looking cue.
Have any of you ever experienced this problem? How did you
fix it? Is it no big deal?
Does it happen with ebony more than any other wood?
Thanks,

                                        Doug W.
~>*)))><  Big fish eat Little fish ><(((*<~

 
 
 

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by tw » Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>When my friend shoots with his beautiful new cue,it
>shoots,feels and 'sounds' perfect, however when he holds it close to the
>bottom of the wrap and taps his cue against the heel of his other hand
>his cue makes a 'sound' similar to a split,cracked or loose piece of
>wood (kind of a 'reverberation).

Um... just how often does that shot come up in a game, anyway?

TW

 
 
 

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by John Walku » Sun, 22 Nov 1998 04:00:00

As we mechanics used to say "Sumthin's come loose."

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QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by Carl D. Crave » Mon, 23 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>I've only gotten two responses to this post.
>Shirley you lurkers & posters can do better than that...  IMO  (Sven,
>HOW many people read this group??)

Are you sure you aren't looking for a problem where there isn't one?  If
it doesn't have a problem under normal use, what's the problem?

"Doctor, it hurts when I do this!"

"Don't do that then."

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A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.

 
 
 

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by Smorgass Bor » Mon, 23 Nov 1998 04:00:00

   Carl
I don't have a problem (and not looking for one).
My friend wants something done to Stop the noise and the cuemaker
doesn't know what the problem IS. Neither has a computer to access this
group and BOTH asked me to find out from cue owners,builders or 'cue
smart' readers of this Worldwide group if they'd ever seen, heard of or
experienced this 'noise' problem which seems inherent in Ebony cues more
that any other and find out any remedy or solution.
   Thanks for playing... Johnny,tell him what he's WON !


'Noise' (Revisited)  

I've only gotten two responses to this post.
Shirley you lurkers & posters can do better than that... IMO (Sven,
HOW many people read this group??)

  Carl opined :
Are you sure you aren't looking for a problem where there isn't one? If
it doesn't have a problem under normal use, what's the problem?
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this!"
"Don't do that then."
--

you got tired of thinking.  

                                        Doug W.
~>*)))><  Big fish eat Little fish ><(((*<~

 
 
 

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by John Walku » Mon, 23 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Didn't Bill Stroud already provide you the answer?

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QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by Smorgass Bor » Mon, 23 Nov 1998 04:00:00

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)  
Didn't Bill Stroud already provide you the answer?
John Walkup

    Well John, on my browser I didn't 'see' any reponse from Bill Stroud
(will someone please forward it if they see it). In my original post I
'saw' four unfunny Bullshit responses, one by YOU and three by CSmith
aka Michael aka JimboCT aka 'flock of ***s'......   IMO
                                C'ya  

                                        Doug W.
~>*)))><  Big fish eat Little fish ><(((*<~

 
 
 

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by Fran » Mon, 23 Nov 1998 04:00:00


 >'noise' problem which seems inherent in Ebony cues more
that any other and find out any remedy or solution.

I have an ebony ***on my sneaky pete. It is a high run Dufferin
house cue that was pinned and a new shaft put on it. It does not make
any unusual noises, so "all ebony cues" making the noise is wrong.
Check the shaft while it is unscrewed from the but. If the noise is in
the shaft it is either the ferrule or the insert. Sometimes the insert
will have sawdust in it (I've seen this when there was no insert) that
makes a rattling sound when the cue is together, but not when it is in
two pieces. Check the ***while the shaft is off to see if the noise
is in the butt, it could be the***that holds the bumper on. Try
tightening it or exchanging it for a larger one. Some cuemakers have a
weight***with another***that fits in it to hold the bumper on.
Check them all. Some old house cues have lead weights in them, and
should not be used for sneaky petes. Without actually seeing the cue,
this is all I can think of. Hope it helps.
Frank

 
 
 

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by CSmith47 » Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Well John, on my browser I didn't 'see' any reponse from Bill Stroud (will

someone please forward it if they see it). In my original post I
'saw' four unfunny Bullshit responses, one by YOU and three by CSmith aka
Michael aka JimboCT aka 'flock of ***s'......   IMO
                                C'ya  

Quote:

>                                        Doug W.

AKA?  I assure you that these screen names are actually different people.

It is amazing that you classified Michael in your so called 'flock of
***s'.  Michael was directing a comment towards me.  Kudos, Michael.  You
got me good.  You are a hell of a great guy in my book, Michael.

So, you honestly didn't think you were going to get needled by your post  after
your lengthy bouts with TW?  Sorry if I pissed you off with my dry & sick
semblance of a sense of humor.

The thing that puzzles the hell out of me, Doug, is that you asked the RSB
about your cue problem rather than seeking the professional advise of your
prized cuemaker Arnot.  You obviously hold him in high regards, so why not get
his opinion?  It will be most likely the one you believe anyway. BTW, I am not
saying the problem is with YOUR cue.  As for Arnot? I do not know him or his
work so I refuse to judge his capability.

As for your ebony cue problem? Since you are complaining about people not
contributing, I will tell you what I think.

The buzz you describe is most commonly caused from any of the following.

1. A loose joint***
2. Something loose in the intermediate joint (handle to forearm joint)

Another problem that can cause this in rare circumstances, is building a cue
from a checked piece of wood.  What is a check in the wood?  A check is the
splitting of the end grain because the wood has dried improperly.  Checking is
a very common occurance with EBONY.  Some cuemakers cut the check out, & build
the cue.  The problem with this is the check can run internally if it is severe
enough.  The buzzing can be attributed to the sides of the check vibrating
against each other.

The more common occurrance is found in cues regardless of type of wood.  It is
the direct result of slopy joining techniques.  IMO

The other thing that can cause this is whacking a cue in the manner you
described.  If the type of glue does not have the proper tensile/shear/***
strengths and proper elastometric flexibility (resistance to vibration
fatigue), the joint will fail instantly producing a buzz.

I had this problem early on in the development of my cues.  Sure I'll admit it.
 However, these cues that had the buzz, NEVER EVER hit the market. The problem
has since been fixed.

My advice? Remove the bumper & all rear weight bolts.  Is the buzz still there?
If so, pull the joint pin.  Sometimes excess adhesive will get trapped between
the***and the bottom of the cavity. If this does not work, consider having
the cue remade.  

Thank you, please drive through.

Clark Smith
Clark Custom Cues
Tacoma, WA

 
 
 

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by Micha » Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:00:00

I'm sorry Mr. Bored, but I didn't post to your message on cue noise.  

Michael
Michaelangelo Custom Cues


Quote:

>QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)  
>Didn't Bill Stroud already provide you the answer?
>John Walkup

>    Well John, on my browser I didn't 'see' any reponse from Bill Stroud
>(will someone please forward it if they see it). In my original post I
>'saw' four unfunny Bullshit responses, one by YOU and three by CSmith
>aka Michael aka JimboCT aka 'flock of ***s'......   IMO
>                                C'ya  

>                                        Doug W.
>~>*)))><  Big fish eat Little fish ><(((*<~

 
 
 

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by Smorgass Bor » Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:00:00

    When I posted that I only received 4 bullshit- asinine responses to

)replied, "I'm sorry Mr. Bored but I didn't post to your message on cue
noise."
    I'm sorry Michael, I mistook the bullshit response below as YOURS
(where did I go wrong)?

Group: rec.sport.billiard Date: Sat, Nov 21, 1998, 7:32am (EST+5) From:


<<Could this be like "my FRIEND has this ***ly transmitted disease,
and I, uhhh HE, wants to know what to do about it.">>
ROFLMAO
Clark <----- hey, Mike??

What you mean "Hey, Mike"? Clark, I ain't got no sexal tra***ed dezee!
Can't got it if i can't spel it, rite?
I just want you to let everybody know who you are (A Damn Fine Cue
Smith). Hey I'll blow your horn...er... beat your drum...ah...Damn you
and your ***ly transmitted diseases!
Michael
Michaelangelo Custom Cues  

            Jesus,I'm starting to sound like some other nut in this
group.....  IMO       <G>

                                        Doug W.
~>*)))><  Big fish eat Little fish ><(((*<~

 
 
 

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by John Walku » Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)
> Didn't Bill Stroud already provide you the answer?
> John Walkup

>     Well John, on my browser I didn't 'see' any reponse from Bill Stroud
> (will someone please forward it if they see it). In my original post I
> 'saw' four unfunny Bullshit responses, one by YOU

My bullshit response was funny.  

Quote:
> and three by CSmith
> aka Michael aka JimboCT aka 'flock of ***s'......   IMO

And I ran, I ran so far away.  Couldn't get away.

Oh, I misread the last line.  Sorry.

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QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by John Walku » Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:



>  >'noise' problem which seems inherent in Ebony cues more
> that any other and find out any remedy or solution.

> I have an ebony ***on my sneaky pete. It is a high run Dufferin
> house cue that was pinned and a new shaft put on it. It does not make
> any unusual noises, so "all ebony cues" making the noise is wrong.

I have a cue with an ebony forearm (ivory points) and it doesn't
make that noise either.

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John Walkup

                The Cue Gallery (http://SportToday.org/)

Authorized Dealer:

       Verl Horn Custom Cues        Espiritu Custom Cues

Norman, OK.

 
 
 

QUESTION : On Cue 'Noise' (Revisited)

Post by John Walku » Tue, 24 Nov 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


> >Well John, on my browser I didn't 'see' any reponse from Bill Stroud (will
> someone please forward it if they see it). In my original post I
> 'saw' four unfunny Bullshit responses, one by YOU and three by CSmith aka
> Michael aka JimboCT aka 'flock of ***s'......   IMO
>                                 C'ya

> >                                        Doug W.

> AKA?  I assure you that these screen names are actually different people.

> It is amazing that you classified Michael in your so called 'flock of
> ***s'.  Michael was directing a comment towards me.  Kudos, Michael.  You
> got me good.  You are a hell of a great guy in my book, Michael.

What about me?  He called me an *** too.  Am I not a great guy in
your
book as well?  

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Authorized Dealer:

       Verl Horn Custom Cues        Espiritu Custom Cues

Norman, OK.