Predator 314 Speaks Out

Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by SSinn786 » Sat, 26 Jul 1997 04:00:00


If anyone has any questions,comments,suggestions,aprehensions or theories
about the Predator 314 Shafts or cues please respond by posting your

1-888-314-4111.We can take it.
Regards,
            Shane Sinnott
            Predator Sales and Tech

 
 
 

Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by Jim Meado » Sat, 26 Jul 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> If anyone has any questions,comments,suggestions,aprehensions or theories
> about the Predator 314 Shafts or cues please respond by posting your

> 1-888-314-4111.We can take it.
> Regards,
>             Shane Sinnott
>             Predator Sales and Tech

With an unbiased response I take it. Okay, how many shattered shafts
have come back to the shop since its introduction? Please respond to the
group, not me.

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Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by WCri » Sun, 27 Jul 1997 04:00:00

I have been looking for a Cue that had all the characteristics I wanted
for many years.   (I broke a few shafts along the way).  I have been
playing with a Predator for the last 1 1/2 years.  I would not even dream
about switching to another.   When I play with all the higher priced more
popular cues I feel like I'm  playing with one hand tied behind my back.  
The Predator is vastly more accurate (little deflection) and still gets
great action.  To me that is the primary criteria of a good cue,
ACCURACY.     We are playing pool

 
 
 

Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by SnookerU » Sun, 27 Jul 1997 04:00:00

So far that is two as I count RESOUNDING positive reactions for the
PREDATOR
shaft outfitted cue.

Now, I'm really wondering about this thing. . .

Regards,
Mark Kulaga
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Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by Tarl Roger Kudri » Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:00:00

        Okay, here's my Predator story.

        As many readers will remember, I bought a Predator shaft
about...oh, six months ago. Finally it came time to change the tip. While
a good person I know changed the tip and let it dry, I got to play with my
older cues. (I sold the Huebler, for those who remember it).

        Cheap Viking: Hit like crap, but what do you expect, it's an $80
Viking. Yeah I made a couple decent runouts but the feel was...well, there
almost was none. Same kind of tip as my Predator, too, a Le Pro. Stiff and
dead, though. I never knew if the shot was right until the balls finished
moving.

        $400 Joss: a cue my re-tipper just picked up (he buys and sells
used cues all the time). At least this one had some feel to it. Still had
a tough time compensating for English, but I'm sure I could have gotten
used to it. But I still didn't like the way the shaft flexed when I struck
the ball. And, it took more work to generate the same amount of spin
compared to my Predator.

        So I played with my re-tipper's $600 Meucci, which is his cue of
choice when he's playing to win. I can see why he likes it; it doesn't
deflect much and it gets pretty good power, but it's still not my
Predator.

        Finally, the Predator shaft was ready. The new tip was thick and
awkward-looking compared to what I'd been playing with for the last couple
of months. It wasn't even as round as I wanted, and it still isn't--I play
with a severely dime-shaped tip, and that takes a while to get. But it
didn't seem to matter. Slight differences in speed of stroke result in
noticeably different feel, so as soon as I strike the ball I know whether
I've hit it right or not. No noticeable deflection unless I'm shooting
quite hard and quite off-center.  The shaft only seems to bend along the
first ten inches or so; from the ten-inch point to the butt, the cue seems
to stay perfectly straight.  Getting a lot of spin took very little
effort.

        I've also put some time in with my AZ teacher's $1400 Schon, which
he swears by. I can see why--it's a very good cue. But I will stick with
my $80 cheap Viking ***with the Predator shaft.

                                                 --Tarl Roger Kudrick

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Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by SnookerU » Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>Subject: Re: Predator 314 Speaks Out

>Date: 28 Jul 1997 13:30:32 GMT

>    Okay, here's my Predator story.

>    As many readers will remember, I bought a Predator shaft
>about...oh, six months ago. Finally it came time to change the tip. While
>a good person I know changed the tip and let it dry, I got to play with
my
>older cues. (I sold the Huebler, for those who remember it).

>    Cheap Viking: Hit like crap, but what do you expect, it's an $80
>Viking. Yeah I made a couple decent runouts but the feel was...well,
there
>almost was none. Same kind of tip as my Predator, too, a Le Pro. Stiff
and
>dead, though. I never knew if the shot was right until the balls finished
>moving.

>    $400 Joss: a cue my re-tipper just picked up (he buys and sells
>used cues all the time). At least this one had some feel to it. Still had
>a tough time compensating for English, but I'm sure I could have gotten
>used to it. But I still didn't like the way the shaft flexed when I
struck
>the ball. And, it took more work to generate the same amount of spin
>compared to my Predator.

>    So I played with my re-tipper's $600 Meucci, which is his cue of
>choice when he's playing to win. I can see why he likes it; it doesn't
>deflect much and it gets pretty good power, but it's still not my
>Predator.

>    Finally, the Predator shaft was ready. The new tip was thick and
>awkward-looking compared to what I'd been playing with for the last
couple
>of months. It wasn't even as round as I wanted, and it still isn't--I
play
>with a severely dime-shaped tip, and that takes a while to get. But it
>didn't seem to matter. Slight differences in speed of stroke result in
>noticeably different feel, so as soon as I strike the ball I know whether
>I've hit it right or not. No noticeable deflection unless I'm shooting
>quite hard and quite off-center.  The shaft only seems to bend along the
>first ten inches or so; from the ten-inch point to the butt, the cue
seems
>to stay perfectly straight.  Getting a lot of spin took very little
>effort.

>    I've also put some time in with my AZ teacher's $1400 Schon, which
>he swears by. I can see why--it's a very good cue. But I will stick with
>my $80 cheap Viking ***with the Predator shaft.

>                                                 --Tarl Roger Kudrick

That makes 3 rounds of applause for the PREDATOR shaft.

 Who stood up to be counted against the shaft? Raise your keyboards again,

so we can calculate this.

Better yet, just e-mail me your PREDATOR story.
Positive or negative and I'll tabulate this thing and make it official.

-

Regards,
Mark Kulaga
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Favorite Quotes:
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Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by Terry Coo » Wed, 30 Jul 1997 04:00:00

I've been shooting with a Predator longer than all but the designers and
the 127 people who bought the first edition Predator before me so I feel
somewhat qualified to talk about it a bit. I have two Predator shafts, one
6 piece and one 12 piece. They don't make either of these now and instead
use a 10 piece design. According to the mfg, the 6 piece performance is
within 2-3% of the 12 piece, so let's say the 10 is somewhere in between.

Good stuff
1. It squirts less than my Huebler, but not noticably less than my cue made
by local guy Dale Teague.
2. When you really want monster spin, it can do that.

Objectively Bad stuff
1. The shaft wood is shit. Very soft and dents often. I never had so many
dents in any shaft. Hell my spare shaft (the 6 piece) has more dents with
20 hours on it than my Huebler had with hundreds of hours. I called
Predator and they said "send it in and we'll see." Not a great response
IMHO.
2. The ferrule does scratch easily.
3. The manual says don't sand, clean, or apply heat to the shaft. Well how
am I supposed to fix 1 and 2?

Subjectively Bad stuff
1. The hit is pretty harsh and max spin feals like a near miscue.
2. I don't think the increase in spin is a good thing. In some rare
occasions, you might need that extra few RPM at the top end, but you pay
the price every time you are a fraction off of center ball hit.
3. The stock tip (Le Pro I think) was totally lame. It wanted to be flat
and smooth no matter how I filed and shaped and scuffed.
4. The wrap is finished with some smooth shiny crap. What's wrong with
untreated Irish linen?
5. I think the balance should be further forward. If you are one of the
legions purchasing a Predator shaft for your cue of choice, check the
balance. The Predator is lighter than normal and can shift the balance
point towards the back of the cue.

Overall, you can count me as a negative vote. The shaft isn't terrible, but
it's no magic bullet either. I've ordered two custom cues this Summer and
the one I've played with already eclipses the Predator. I am going to keep
the Predator as a break cue though, just so when it does delaminate, I can
post it here and continue this already overlong thread.
-Terry



Quote:
> >Subject: Re: Predator 314 Speaks Out

> >Date: 28 Jul 1997 13:30:32 GMT

> >       Okay, here's my Predator story.

> >       As many readers will remember, I bought a Predator shaft
> >about...oh, six months ago. Finally it came time to change the tip.
While
> >a good person I know changed the tip and let it dry, I got to play with
> my
> >older cues. (I sold the Huebler, for those who remember it).

> >       Cheap Viking: Hit like crap, but what do you expect, it's an $80
> >Viking. Yeah I made a couple decent runouts but the feel was...well,
> there
> >almost was none. Same kind of tip as my Predator, too, a Le Pro. Stiff
> and
> >dead, though. I never knew if the shot was right until the balls
finished
> >moving.

> >       $400 Joss: a cue my re-tipper just picked up (he buys and sells
> >used cues all the time). At least this one had some feel to it. Still
had
> >a tough time compensating for English, but I'm sure I could have gotten
> >used to it. But I still didn't like the way the shaft flexed when I
> struck
> >the ball. And, it took more work to generate the same amount of spin
> >compared to my Predator.

> >       So I played with my re-tipper's $600 Meucci, which is his cue of
> >choice when he's playing to win. I can see why he likes it; it doesn't
> >deflect much and it gets pretty good power, but it's still not my
> >Predator.

> >       Finally, the Predator shaft was ready. The new tip was thick and
> >awkward-looking compared to what I'd been playing with for the last
> couple
> >of months. It wasn't even as round as I wanted, and it still isn't--I
> play
> >with a severely dime-shaped tip, and that takes a while to get. But it
> >didn't seem to matter. Slight differences in speed of stroke result in
> >noticeably different feel, so as soon as I strike the ball I know
whether
> >I've hit it right or not. No noticeable deflection unless I'm shooting
> >quite hard and quite off-center.  The shaft only seems to bend along the
> >first ten inches or so; from the ten-inch point to the butt, the cue
> seems
> >to stay perfectly straight.  Getting a lot of spin took very little
> >effort.

> >       I've also put some time in with my AZ teacher's $1400 Schon, which
> >he swears by. I can see why--it's a very good cue. But I will stick with
> >my $80 cheap Viking ***with the Predator shaft.

> >                                                 --Tarl Roger Kudrick

> That makes 3 rounds of applause for the PREDATOR shaft.

>  Who stood up to be counted against the shaft? Raise your keyboards
again,

> so we can calculate this.

> Better yet, just e-mail me your PREDATOR story.
> Positive or negative and I'll tabulate this thing and make it official.

> -

> Regards,
> Mark Kulaga
> ---
> Webmaster: http://SportToday.org/
> ---
> Favorite Quotes:
> "And my wife's husband."

> "No matter where you go, there you are" - not sure... Deepack Chopra?

 
 
 

Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by Paul Meyer » Fri, 01 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:



[stuff by both guys deleted]

Quote:

> >3. The stock tip (Le Pro I think) was totally lame. It wanted to be flat
> >and smooth no matter how I filed and shaped and scuffed.

> No arguments here.  A lot of people seem to use Le Pro, even some
> good custom cuemakers use it by default, but man the one I had was
> awful.  Replacement with a Moori tip made things much better.

> Alan

A friend of mine got a new Preditor and everytime he hit with it you
would
hear a clinking noice.  It also felt like a miscue most of the time.
Turns out
the tip was loose or not on right.  In any event, a new tip improved the
feel of
the cue.

Paul Meyers

 
 
 

Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by SnookerU » Sat, 02 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Can't count this one, unless it is sent to me with the survey form filled
out.

 >A friend of mine got a new Preditor and everytime he hit with it you

Quote:
>would
>hear a clinking noice.  It also felt like a miscue most of the time.
>Turns out
>the tip was loose or not on right.  In any event, a new tip improved the
>feel of
>the cue.

>Paul Meyers

Regards,
Mark Kulaga
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Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by Jeffrey Wei » Thu, 07 Aug 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
> [With the] $400 Joss: ...it took more work to generate the same amount of
> spin compared to my Predator.
...
> [Back to the 314] Getting a lot of spin took very little effort.

What kind of "work" and "effort" are you talking about here?  With the Joss, do
you have to hit *harder* to get the spin?  Do you have to think harder?
--
jw (NYC)
 
 
 

Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by Carl M. Pearso » Fri, 08 Aug 1997 04:00:00

I'll give Iron Willie Wonka the break and the Wild-8.

Nope, no contest on spot shots, unless I get to spot the ball.

Carlo

 
 
 

Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by Ron Shepa » Fri, 08 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>The Predator is is a great beginers cue but all the great players use a
>lot of spin to offset the effect of throw,squirt to you young players.

Throw and squirt are two different things.  One involves ball-ball
collisions, and the other involves tip-ball interaction.  See the FAQ for
the details.

Quote:
>Test
>your stroke out see if you can spin the cue of the second dot on the
>short rail to the third dot on the long rail most players can hit the side
>pocket but once you can hit the third dot and shorter you concern about
>squirt will disapear.

Some of us would say that when you start to do that, that is when you
should REALLY become concerned about reducing squirt.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

 
 
 

Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by Steve Stanner » Fri, 08 Aug 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> The Predator is is a great beginers cue but all the great players use a
> lot of spin to offset the effect of throw,squirt to you young players.Test
> your stroke out see if you can spin the cue of the second dot on the
> short rail to the third dot on the long rail most players can hit the side
> pocket but once you can hit the third dot and shorter you concern about
> squirt will disapear.

Just because a player can generate a lot of spin doesn't mean that he
wouldn't be better off with a cue that has less squirt.  In fact, to
me, it seems like the benefits of a cue with low squirt would become
much *more* apparent as a player begins to use more english.  This
is because the more often you use english, the more important it is that
you can aim accurately while using english.  Less squirt makes it
easier to aim accurately while using english, especially in the learning
stages.
 
 
 

Predator 314 Speaks Out

Post by Jim Doughert » Fri, 08 Aug 1997 04:00:00

The Predator is is a great beginers cue but all the great players use a
lot of spin to offset the effect of throw,squirt to you young players.Test
your stroke out see if you can spin the cue of the second dot on the
short rail to the third dot on the long rail most players can hit the side
pocket but once you can hit the third dot and shorter you concern about
squirt will disapear.