kh pulled a microsoft?

kh pulled a microsoft?

Post by tomblackwoo » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:42:33


Quote:

> *Is it just me or has kh mircosofted unicycling I, mean everyone seems
> to have a kh seat now inc me.Most trials riders and muni riders seem
> to have a kh hub and cranks. And now with the pads and clothing when
> will his world domination stop?*

I'm assuming you can't be serious, in which case JC would have been a
more appropriate place for this thread.

It seems to me as a uni consumer there is plenty of freedom of choice in
component shopping. I see a lot more six six ones out there on peoples
legs than I do KH protection. Likewise Roach. And with cranks there is
always the option--at a much higher cost--to go with Profile.  Making
something just as good cheaper doesn't sound like world domination to
me.

At this young stage in our sport, I think having a manufacturer
dedicated to making strong affordable high-quality equipment is a
blessing.

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kh pulled a microsoft?

Post by johnfos » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:55:21

There's a difference between making good products and "Microsofting." KH
cycles and parts do not require you to buy or use other KH parts for
them to work. No Microsofting. Also, they don't crash on their own; you
need to be riding them and then it's your fault. No Microsofting there.
And they don't bluescreen. Lastly, they seem to be pretty much finished
products when they come out on the market. You don' t have to constantly
update them.

They're just good products!

When more unicycle products are being designed by top unicyclists, I'm
sure there will be many more great products to choose from. In his way,
Kris is a pioneer.

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Post by Sofa » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:11:45

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> *You don' t have to constantly update them.

> *

coff coff  Velo  coff coff

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Post by unicyclebo » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:40:51

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> the only reason that everybody has KH seats is because they are the
> best.

Thats not necesairly true, I dont like them, I find them to big for
trails and two big for freestyle, I much prefer myata even though they
break easy.

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Post by Sofa » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:10:16

KH Velo seats are comfortable.  That's all they have

They are made like ***

They are flexy

The bolts spin around aimlessly

They are barely user serviceable  (if even that)

The material used wears down super fast

Comfortable, but a poor product.

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Post by Sofa » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:19:37

PS...

Those who think they are free from flex because they have the next
generation Velo.....

of the three velos I've pulled apart (to get at the shitty bolt setup) 2
of them had the reinforcing plate.

Both of the plates were split in two pieces at the front two seat post
bolts.

2 individual pieces of metal in the seat guts hardly add stability

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Post by johnfos » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:00:03

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> *coff coff  Velo  coff coff *

I knew somebody was going to say something like that.

There's a big difference between a new version (velo 1.1) and constant
updates and security patches.   :)

After one year, the KH seat on my MUni is holding up well, except in the
center. The fabric has developed some wrinkles on the sides, and it's
starting to let go at the staples on one side.

But it's still comfortable.

My seat post, on the other hand, is another story. My $25 Pyramid
suspension post seems to be giving up the ghost. Not like I didn't get
my money's worth! But ever since Steve Dressler used my unicycle to
pound *UP* a set of stairs, the post hasn't been the same. I don't know
if it's going to hold up to another visit to Moab...

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Post by Sofa » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:22:05

Quote:

> *There's a big difference between a new version (velo 1.1) and
> constant updates and security patches.   :)

> *

That's right...Darren doesn't yet allow for downloading of seats

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Post by mscalis » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:31:03

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> *Is it just me or has kh mircosofted unicycling I, mean everyone seems
> to have a kh seat now inc me.Most trials riders and muni riders seem
> to have a kh hub and cranks.
> This i don't have I have a qu-ax muni so i have qu-ax hub + cranks
> and my trials just has a cheap ass hub in. what do you think?
> And now with the pads and clothing when will his world domination
> stop?
> Ben *

Conceptually, this is pretty funny. Don't you realise that Kris still
has a day job and Bill Gates is worth over 50 billion dollars.

Bill has more money than every single unicyclist that ever lived
combined X 100 !!!! (I don't have the numbers to back this up, but I'm
SURE it's true).

I don't think that KH has a virtual monopoly on unicycling equipment.
Yes, his lines seem to do quite well in the unicycle world. That's
because his equipment fills a niche. (Relatively) inexpensive
(relatively) durable rough terrain unicycle equipment.

Microsoft devours other software companies alive in a extremely large
high-stakes market.

KH has good market share in a microscopic market. It's not that he eats
other unicycling manufactures alive, it's that the rough-terrain
unicycle market is too small for most bike companies to even bother.

KH is more like Linus Torvalds in that he is bringing visibility to a
small yet growing movement.

..as for the KH seat. Sure, it has problems, but it's the best
off-the-shelf rough-terrain unicycle seat on the market.  

If you wanted to, you could have a chance at developing and marketing
your own unicycle equipment and being successful. ....but try entering
into the PC OS market.

Honestly, you couldn't be serious with comparison.

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Post by Sofa » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:15:24

even though I have adverse opinions on the seat, Kris Holm has done more
to unicycling that could be otherwised imagined.  

I respect him, his work  (his current seat is subpar...but he keeps
getting better and better) and everything he has done for the sport of
unicycling.

as well,  Bill Gates has done more for the IT industry than can possibly
be imagined, and I respect him for that.  Sure, he's stepped on a lot of
people...but that is simply the industry he is in...and the industry is
where it is because of a lot of what he has accomplished.  

They are both great people.

The current version of Windows has its bugs, as does all of the current
KH product line.

Nothing is perfect.  But a lot of things are pretty damn good.

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Post by Chuck Web » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:32:13

Well, i wasn't even going to reply to this thread, because the only "KH"
branded items i own are three of the saddles...but...after sitting here
thinking about what an inane statement started this thread, i just had
to comment.

I've been riding unicycles since about 1972...i haven't always been real
serious about it, and there were long periods of time when i didn't ride
one at all...and i'm nowhere near being a great unicycle rider now.  
The thing is, though, that for most of those years, quality unicycles
were few and far between, and unicycle replacement parts were almost
impossible to find.  Now, thanks to easier global trade and
communication, we can support companies that cater to a very small
"niche" market.  We as consumers profit from that by having a wider
range of products to choose from, and hopefully, the folks that try to
bring quality products to the market can profit from it too.

I've never had the pleasure of meeting Kris Holm, but i hope that he can
at least break even financially with his ventures.  He seems to be
trying to get quality products produced, and bring them to the market at
reasonable prices.  Trust me, he has got to be doing this for the love
of it...he will never get anywhere near as rich as Bill Gates by
designing and and endorsing unicycle parts!

While i'm in this mode, i'd just like to thank all of you who have made
these things possible...some i've made purchases from and some i
probably will some day...John and family at Uni.com of course, Roger for
our cousins in the UK,  Mr. Bedford up in Canada (i'm going to have to
get me some of those flame decals soon), Gbarnes for the seatposts, and
several others i can't think of right now...ok... hopping off the
soapbox now...

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Post by Tom Hol » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:35:46


)
)The current version of Windows has its bugs, as does all of the current
)KH product line.
)
)Nothing is perfect.  But a lot of things are pretty damn good.

Microsoft hasn't created anything of value since Word 4.0.  They exist
solely to exploit the fallacies of the market and extract the maxmimum
amount of cash from their unfortunate customers that they possibly can.

Kris Holm, on the other hand, is trying to provide a service to an
underserved population.
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kh pulled a microsoft?

Post by Sofa » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:58:04

Quote:

> *Microsoft hasn't created anything of value since Word 4.0.

> *

Really??   Have you had to install a computer system for someone over
30?  I have.  Do you know how helpful it is to not have to explain
drivers to someone?

Have you had to resort to developing anything using PHP vice Visual
Studio.net?

Have you had to resort to using Mapquest.com because you don't run MS
Mappoint?

They are making money providing a product to a target audience.  As is
Kris Holm.

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Post by tomblackwoo » Sun, 21 Mar 2004 17:38:26

Quote:

> *There's a big difference between a new version (velo 1.1) and
> constant updates and security patches.  After one year, the KH seat on
> my MUni is holding up well. My seat post, on the other hand, is
> another story. My $25 Pyramid suspension post seems to be giving up
> the ghost. *

Wow, nice mixing of sub-threads John.

Quote:
> -Originally posted by Tom Holub-
> *Microsoft hasn't created anything of value since Word 4.0. They exist
> solely to exploit the fallacies of the market and extract the maxmimum
> amount of cash from their unfortunate customers that they possibly
> can.*

Wow, harsh words Tom. A lot of financial analysts and controllers might
disagree with you.  Sounds like a good topic to tee up over a beer in
Moab, and I'm looking forward to it.  I'll buy, and charge it to
Bill....customer research.

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