Riding SIF for Distance

Riding SIF for Distance

Post by Unicor » Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:14:46


I was just wondering if anyone has ridden SIF for any major distance.
This kind of ties in with Ultimate Wheels that seem to be getting more
attention lately and also as a skill builder. I eventually want to get
or build and Ultimate wheel.

I often try to ride SIF for a maximum distance but my legs get so tired
after only about an eight of a mile. Do the legs actually work that hard
to keep you balanced when not sitting on the saddle? Keep in mind that I
am quite comfortable riding SIF and don't feel that I am fighting for
balance.

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Post by munirock » Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:24:23

Quote:

> I was just wondering if anyone has ridden SIF for any major distance.
> This kind of ties in with Ultimate Wheels that seem to be getting more
> attention lately and also as a skill builder. I eventually want to get
> or build and Ultimate wheel.

> I often try to ride SIF for a maximum distance but my legs get so tired
> after only about an eight of a mile. Do the legs actually work that hard
> to keep you balanced when not sitting on the saddle? Keep in mind that I
> am quite comfortable riding SIF and don't feel that I am fighting for
> balance.

> Unicorn

Well, in the usual sort of combat situation I would argue it to be
unsafe to ride SIF for any length of time. What if you're being
attacked by a Lebanese soldier, armed with a pogo-stick? You will need
that extra bit of time to grab your MG, aim, and by the time you're
ready to shoot him with a grin on your face he triumphantly knocks you
off your muni with his pogo-stick... Oh, and going to war on an
ultimate wheel sounds like a pretty bad idea to me too.

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Post by johnfos » Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:49:32

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> Do the legs actually work that hard to keep you balanced when not
> sitting on the saddle?

No, they work that hard to hold you up while they're bent. That's what
wears them out so fast. Standing up taller and working on a more
efficient technique will help, but it'll always be a lot more work than
sitting down. Remember all that advice to put your weight on the seat
when learning? That's a great reminder of why!  :)

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Post by Klaas Bi » Sat, 27 Sep 2008 04:55:02

Quote:

> No, they work that hard to hold you up while they're bent. That's what
> wears them out so fast. Standing up taller and working on a more
> efficient technique will help, but it'll always be a lot more work than
> sitting down. Remember all that advice to put your weight on the seat
> when learning? That's a great reminder of why!  :)

I thought that for a while too, but I think it's not as tiring to walk
a similar distance with your legs bent to the same average amount.
There must be another factor.

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Post by johnfos » Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:06:28

The other factor is the pedals going around and around. I think walking
is less energy-intensive with bent legs because the walking surface is
constant. With pedals your legs are constantly going through the
rotations from a not-so-bent to a very-bent position. I think that
makes up the difference.

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Post by Klaas Bi » Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:44:52

It's probably the combination. Just feet going round is not tiring
either as light unicycling demonstrates. Going from not-so-bent to
very-bent and back -while under load -is probably what makes it
tiring.

It becomes clearer if two legs work simultaneously. Imagine standing a
few minutes with moderately bent legs. That may not be comfortable, but
it's totally doable. Now, while standing, go though a range of vertical
motion of about a foot (twice crank length) with a frequency of, say,
100 rpm (or whatever is your cadence on an UW or with SIF). More
tiring, right?

I think that insofar riding an UW or uni SIF is even more tiring than
that last exercise, it must be attributed to lack of skill on the UW or
riding SIF.

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Post by skilewis7 » Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:25:52

I think doing that and/or just standing up is a good way of increasing
endurance and skill w/ a limited amount of time.

If you have a countdown timer on your watch set it for a couple of
minutes and each time it goes off ride 10 revolutions SIF.  When that
gets easy, do 20, 30, 40, etc revs before sitting back down or reduce
the time interval.

Quote:

> With pedals your legs are constantly going through the rotations from a
> not-so-bent to a very-bent position.

Also you are always applying force to the pedals.  When walking your
legs get a nice break each time you pick up a foot.

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Post by Unicor » Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:14:21

Interesting thoughts. It does seem as if your legs are always
"concentrating on reading the ground" much more when riding SIF. Maybe
trying to stand up straiter or concentrating on keeping your legs less
streched will help. How far has anyone ridden on an UW or SIF?

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Post by Dann » Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:00:39

Because of my trials saddle being super slim, I often ride SIF for brief
spells to get circulation going. I'm sure that distance riders on long
ride start to numb up (may take a lot longer than me), and a minute or
two in SIF can get things working again;). I wouldn't ride SIF any
longer than that however because, as mentioned above, it takes more
effort to keep on going.

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Post by Unicor » Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:32:02

Yesterday night I tried riding SIF while trying to keep my legs as
strait as possipleand my body as stretched out and tall as I could. This
is not easy on a tials unicycle with a low saddle! Anyway it helped out
quite a bit and I rode 30% farther than on any other attempt! However I
must say that riding SIF for any amount of distance is a real workout.

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Post by natha » Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:32:42

One time on a training ride for the Laos Tour I was riding up a hill
(paved) on a 36" cycle with a friend who was going slower. I think I was
on 125mm cranks. I decided to ride with him all the way up and did it
SIF. I was expecting my legs to burn out quickly but they didn't. I
relaxed and stood up and just rode and we went maybe 1/2 mile, all
uphill and it was fine. I don't know why I tried it that day and I don't
think I've done it since. Strange.

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Post by The Extremis » Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:07:57

hey guys i am seriously new to unicycling.. but i mastering it slowly..
I am just confused on the issue of Sif, Seat In Front.. Does this mean
that you stand and hold the seat in front of you or do you just hold it
under you.. could some one please post a few pictures of different
angles for sif..

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Post by hans » Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:20:20

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> hey guys i am seriously new to unicycling.. but i mastering it slowly..
> I am just confused on the issue of Sif, Seat In Front.. Does this mean
> that you stand and hold the seat in front of you or do you just hold it
> under you.. could some one please post a few pictures of different
> angles for sif..

Yes you hold it in front of you. It's very useful when hopping, , as
you get more room to tuck.
Just a random video I
found
With that said, Coker SIF anyone?
Coker SIF

Whoa, embedded youtube videos.

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Post by johnfos » Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:27:17

Technically (by definition), SIF also means the seat isn't touching your
body other than the hand that's holding it. This is not an important
distinction most of the time, but matters for things like skill levels
and Standard Skill competition. Also just something to know if you're
telling people you're riding SIF but you're really doing SIF -against
body-, which is the easier variation.

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Post by The Extremis » Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:49:35

Quote:

> Technically (by definition), SIF also means the seat isn't touching your
> body other than the hand that's holding it. This is not an important
> distinction most of the time, but matters for things like skill levels
> and Standard Skill competition. Also just something to know if you're
> telling people you're riding SIF but you're really doing SIF -against
> body-, which is the easier variation.

"The hand", so if you hold on with two hands its technically not SIF?

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