Is Kris Holm a Hypocryte?

Is Kris Holm a Hypocryte?

Post by UniDa » Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:56:38


DISCLAIMER: This is not an accusation, it is merely a question! Please
excuse any hint of ***ness in this post. If it exists, that was
NOT how it was meant

With all of this talk of the New Kris Holm
Unicycle, I began to think of almost celebrity endor***ts. I doubt
every "Michael Jordan" shoe has been used by the big guy himself, and
hockey players dont really use the sticks that carry their name in
sporting good stores. Does Kris really use the same Muni that is
available at Unicycle.com? Hey, how about it Kris? Is this just a muni
you think would be a good ride, or are you currently riding this very
thing?
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Is Kris Holm a Hypocryte?

Post by uni_boy5 » Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:26:39

good question, on the last or one of the last replies there was a
yahoo ad, and there wasn't any links to unicycling on the yahoo thing.
But that's not hycpricyt (i gotta learn to spell) just wierd
advirtising

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Post by Gilb » Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:46:42

Kris was riding it at NUC last summer, testing it out and making sure
it could stand up to his abuse. Now if he's riding it now is a
different question... but if it is something else now, I'd bet he's
testing out the next generation MUni.

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Is Kris Holm a Hypocryte?

Post by Chilliwac » Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:26:39

It is called the Kris Holm Unicycle because Kris Holm designed it. Not
because some company made it and said "Hey Kris, here is $10 000 for
your name on the unicycle." Kris designed it, and rides it. I don't
think that makes him a hypocrite. As well, it is commonly refer to as
simply a KH. It took me a couple months to figure out that KH stood
for "Kris Holm."

If we started seeing "Kris Holm" branded leg
armour, helmets or "Kris Holm" edition Miyata brand saddles, *then* we
can start worrying.

Kris is no sellout.

Caleb Penner
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Post by leoy » Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:37:01

Im almost positive he rides it in his "one tired guy" video, around
the streets of South America when he went to Orizaba. I cant confirm
this right now, cause my NTSC video died!!!

Leo

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Post by Jeff Lutku » Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:40:12

As I understand it, Kris designed the thing.  (I don't know to what extent,
but it was built to his specifications, anyway.)  I doubt Michael Jordan
has been involved in shoe manufactering.

At NUC, Kris was riding his KH frame, and everyone was checking it out.  I
remember when he was talking about the gliding friendly fork how that
seemed almost silly.  Well, with the possible exception of a Coker, I'm not
sure I'd ever want a unicycle with a rounded frame again.  Gliding is the
best!

Now that there's finally some snow on the ground around me, I've been
riding my muni a lot more.  (Gazz 24x3, reeder frame)  When I encounter
some dry pavement, I find I tend to work on freestyle stuff on the muni
now... mostly one-footed riding, and wheel walking.  It's a challenge to
convert those freestyle skills from teh 20" to the muni, but man is it
fun.  I think the KH, and similarly styled frames are doing a great job
bridging the gap between muni and freestyle.  I'm not saying I could ever
give up my freestyle, but it sure is cool to be able to do some of those
tricks on the muni.

Quote:
> DISCLAIMER: This is not an accusation, it is merely a question! Please
> excuse any hint of ***ness in this post. If it exists, that was NOT
> how it was meant

> With all of this talk of the New Kris Holm
> Unicycle, I began to think of almost celebrity endor***ts. I doubt
> every "Michael Jordan" shoe has been used by the big guy himself, and
> hockey players dont really use the sticks that carry their name in
> sporting good stores. Does Kris really use the same Muni that is
> available at Unicycle.com? Hey, how about it Kris? Is this just a muni
> you think would be a good ride, or are you currently riding this very
> thing?
> -David Kaplan

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Post by Kris Hol » Sat, 09 Feb 2002 03:09:23

Quote:

> With all of this talk of the New Kris Holm
> Unicycle, I began to think of almost celebrity endor***ts.....Does Kris really use the same

Muni that is available at Unicycle.com?...

Hmm, this is a good thing to bring up- thanks for asking.

To answer the first question,  yes I ride the unicycles that have my name on them.

Whether it's a good idea in the first place to have a "Kris Holm" brand unicycle or other "Kris
Holm" signature brand products is another story. Here's my take on this:

Like it or not, I realize that due to a heck of a lot of media coverage, I'm a household name in
the mountain bike community, and quite well known to the mainstream public as well.  I am also not
naive to the fact that in our culture, celebrity brings a higher level of credibility and
influence than would otherwise be possible (whether I agree with that is another story!).  

This high level of exposure, and resulting high level of influence, won't last forever and while I
have it I'd like to put it to good use.  It's taken a while to get to this point, but people in
industry now take me seriously when I indicate I'm interested in working with them to develop a
product.   In my opinion this is very significant, as the production, marketing and distribution
of unicycling products at a large scale is expensive, and most easily conducted by large companies
that may have had little or no previous involvement with our sport.   For example,  right now I'm
working on a seat with Velo, the seat manufacturer.    Mold and development costs for this fairly
basic seat cost over U.S$20,000, but when they've developed it they will be able to produce a good
seat for a small fraction of the price of, say, the $230 Carbonfibre airseat.   There is
absolutely no way I could have convinced Velo to make this initial investment without the
influence and credibility that comes with celebrity.  Yes it will have my signature on it, but
like it or not this "branding" of the product will give it a credibility outside our current
unicycling community that it would not otherwise have.

I find this weird to personally express, but in the mainstream public, my name has become
associated with a perception of the sport that is different than the stereotypes normally
associated with unicycling.  In other words, its not an ego issue, nor do I feel that I deserve to
have my name on these more than other riders (especially since I don't feel that I'm as gifted at
unicycling skills compared to many other riders I've met at UNICON and NUC).  Rather it's an
awareness on my part that I have a rare opportunity to change the way millions of people perceive
our sport.  Right now, if non-rider goes into a bikeshop and sees a "Kris Holm" brand unicycle on
display, they will perceive it differently and take it more seriously than they might otherwise
have.   It's marketing, pure and simple, but if I can use this to expand people's understanding of
our sport, and grow the sport in the process, then I think that it's worth it.

Cheers,

Kris Holm.

Cheers,

Kris.

Quote:

> DISCLAIMER: This is not an accusation, it is merely a question! Please
> excuse any hint of ***ness in this post. If it exists, that was
> NOT how it was meant

> With all of this talk of the New Kris Holm
> Unicycle, I began to think of almost celebrity endor***ts. I doubt
> every "Michael Jordan" shoe has been used by the big guy himself, and
> hockey players dont really use the sticks that carry their name in
> sporting good stores. Does Kris really use the same Muni that is
> available at Unicycle.com? Hey, how about it Kris? Is this just a muni
> you think would be a good ride, or are you currently riding this very
> thing?
> -David Kaplan

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Post by Unipickl » Sat, 09 Feb 2002 08:35:29

Well Said.
Dustin
   Zupancic


Quote:

> > With all of this talk of the New Kris Holm
> > Unicycle, I began to think of almost celebrity endor***ts.....Does

Kris really use the same
Quote:
> Muni that is available at Unicycle.com?...

> Hmm, this is a good thing to bring up- thanks for asking.

> To answer the first question,  yes I ride the unicycles that have my name
on them.

> Whether it's a good idea in the first place to have a "Kris Holm" brand

unicycle or other "Kris
Quote:
> Holm" signature brand products is another story. Here's my take on this:

> Like it or not, I realize that due to a heck of a lot of media coverage,

I'm a household name in
Quote:
> the mountain bike community, and quite well known to the mainstream public

as well.  I am also not
Quote:
> naive to the fact that in our culture, celebrity brings a higher level of
credibility and
> influence than would otherwise be possible (whether I agree with that is
another story!).

> This high level of exposure, and resulting high level of influence, won't

last forever and while I
Quote:
> have it I'd like to put it to good use.  It's taken a while to get to this

point, but people in
Quote:
> industry now take me seriously when I indicate I'm interested in working

with them to develop a
Quote:
> product.   In my opinion this is very significant, as the production,

marketing and distribution
Quote:
> of unicycling products at a large scale is expensive, and most easily

conducted by large companies
Quote:
> that may have had little or no previous involvement with our sport.   For

example,  right now I'm
Quote:
> working on a seat with Velo, the seat manufacturer.    Mold and

development costs for this fairly
Quote:
> basic seat cost over U.S$20,000, but when they've developed it they will

be able to produce a good
Quote:
> seat for a small fraction of the price of, say, the $230 Carbonfibre
airseat.   There is
> absolutely no way I could have convinced Velo to make this initial

investment without the
Quote:
> influence and credibility that comes with celebrity.  Yes it will have my

signature on it, but
Quote:
> like it or not this "branding" of the product will give it a credibility
outside our current
> unicycling community that it would not otherwise have.

> I find this weird to personally express, but in the mainstream public, my
name has become
> associated with a perception of the sport that is different than the

stereotypes normally
Quote:
> associated with unicycling.  In other words, its not an ego issue, nor do

I feel that I deserve to
Quote:
> have my name on these more than other riders (especially since I don't

feel that I'm as gifted at
Quote:
> unicycling skills compared to many other riders I've met at UNICON and

NUC).  Rather it's an
Quote:
> awareness on my part that I have a rare opportunity to change the way

millions of people perceive
Quote:
> our sport.  Right now, if non-rider goes into a bikeshop and sees a "Kris

Holm" brand unicycle on
Quote:
> display, they will perceive it differently and take it more seriously than

they might otherwise
Quote:
> have.   It's marketing, pure and simple, but if I can use this to expand

people's understanding of
Quote:
> our sport, and grow the sport in the process, then I think that it's worth
it.

> Cheers,

> Kris Holm.

> Cheers,

> Kris.


> > DISCLAIMER: This is not an accusation, it is merely a question! Please
> > excuse any hint of ***ness in this post. If it exists, that was
> > NOT how it was meant

> > With all of this talk of the New Kris Holm
> > Unicycle, I began to think of almost celebrity endor***ts. I doubt
> > every "Michael Jordan" shoe has been used by the big guy himself, and
> > hockey players dont really use the sticks that carry their name in
> > sporting good stores. Does Kris really use the same Muni that is
> > available at Unicycle.com? Hey, how about it Kris? Is this just a muni
> > you think would be a good ride, or are you currently riding this very
> > thing?
> > -David Kaplan

> > --
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Post by leoy » Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:26:45

indeed, well said.

Hey Kris, you coming to Australia anytime soon??
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Post by Mt Un » Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:16:49

Hi,

I agree, well said.  This has, and will open a door to us.  A
door for more products, and more spotlight, to let people know that
this is a real sport, and to give riders more goods, and more goods of
great and even better quality.

The media coverage is also good for
providing this doorway.  Just as long as others get recognized.  So,
this way, it doesn't seem like a one man show.  The people should know
how many people ride, and how many go "extreme" with their riding.
And, obviously Kris has recognized other riders of like talent.
Someday I'm going to get up their in skill level.  Probably after I
get a KH 24".  After a year I've done a 21" side hop (what it's called
at NUC, I guess), on a Miyata.  So, I know I'm going to need that
signature frame.  That hop is official for me, not by the NUC.  I want
to try higher than 4' drops also.  A freestyle cycle with a few
mountain parts on it, will only hold up for so long.

Evan

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Post by UniDa » Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:46:47

That was a very cool answer, Kris. As always, you have been very
straight forward, and humble. I am very proud to have you as a
unicycling ambassador to the 2(+) wheeled world.
-David Kaplan

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Post by Mike the Unipsych » Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:19:06

Hey Kris,  Well said...

I agree that most of the "Kris Holm" names gives you extra influence for
marketing and obviously for products as well, and that is great.  I'm not
really sure why any Unicyclists are concerned with this anyway.  Most of the
unicycling marketing (whether that be unicycles, accessories, videos or
whatever) it should be geared to markets outside the unicycling circle to
generate more interest in the sport.  Marketing is all about giving people
what they want to hear, and a lot of people know the "Kris Holm" name when
it comes to unicycling so how can that possibly hurt anything.  It gives
them that extra connection to unicycling and that just generates more
interest.

Anyway,  I think the unicycling growth in the last few years is awesome!  If
it means we need to attach names to help promote a new product, what's so
wrong about that?  It's only going to help us all have more parts, better
equipment and better designs for what we all love, unicycling....

So, our sport is finally becoming its own without the traditional clown and
circus references it has always had and there are more and more riders
continuously working to promote it.  So why not help that promotion out
instead of questioning the riders who do the most of it...  I know I'm going
to keep promoting unicycling locally here in Calgary as much as possible
whether that's out selling videos, organizing unicycling events, running a
unicycle club and website or just out riding with other uniers and bikers,
its all fun and I feel all promotion for the sport is great!  I personally
love it when I'm out in the mountains or just riding locally here in the
city and some biker approches me as says, "Hey are you Mike King?" or "Are
you that guy with the unicycle web site?"  I don't care even if they ask if
I'm Kris Holm, (which it sounds like a number of people in the group have
heard before) because it usually means I have someone else to ride with and
every now and then it sparks a conversation and gets another person into
unicycling.

Those are my thoughts...

Mike the Unipsycho
Calgary Mountain Unipsychos
www.ethereal3d.com/uni


Quote:

> > With all of this talk of the New Kris Holm
> > Unicycle, I began to think of almost celebrity endor***ts.....Does

Kris really use the same
Quote:
> Muni that is available at Unicycle.com?...

> Hmm, this is a good thing to bring up- thanks for asking.

> To answer the first question,  yes I ride the unicycles that have my name
on them.

> Whether it's a good idea in the first place to have a "Kris Holm" brand

unicycle or other "Kris
Quote:
> Holm" signature brand products is another story. Here's my take on this:

> Like it or not, I realize that due to a heck of a lot of media coverage,

I'm a household name in
Quote:
> the mountain bike community, and quite well known to the mainstream public

as well.  I am also not
Quote:
> naive to the fact that in our culture, celebrity brings a higher level of
credibility and
> influence than would otherwise be possible (whether I agree with that is
another story!).

> This high level of exposure, and resulting high level of influence, won't

last forever and while I
Quote:
> have it I'd like to put it to good use.  It's taken a while to get to this

point, but people in
Quote:
> industry now take me seriously when I indicate I'm interested in working

with them to develop a
Quote:
> product.   In my opinion this is very significant, as the production,

marketing and distribution
Quote:
> of unicycling products at a large scale is expensive, and most easily

conducted by large companies
Quote:
> that may have had little or no previous involvement with our sport.   For

example,  right now I'm
Quote:
> working on a seat with Velo, the seat manufacturer.    Mold and

development costs for this fairly
Quote:
> basic seat cost over U.S$20,000, but when they've developed it they will

be able to produce a good
Quote:
> seat for a small fraction of the price of, say, the $230 Carbonfibre
airseat.   There is
> absolutely no way I could have convinced Velo to make this initial

investment without the
Quote:
> influence and credibility that comes with celebrity.  Yes it will have my

signature on it, but
Quote:
> like it or not this "branding" of the product will give it a credibility
outside our current
> unicycling community that it would not otherwise have.

> I find this weird to personally express, but in the mainstream public, my
name has become
> associated with a perception of the sport that is different than the

stereotypes normally
Quote:
> associated with unicycling.  In other words, its not an ego issue, nor do

I feel that I deserve to
Quote:
> have my name on these more than other riders (especially since I don't

feel that I'm as gifted at
Quote:
> unicycling skills compared to many other riders I've met at UNICON and

NUC).  Rather it's an
Quote:
> awareness on my part that I have a rare opportunity to change the way

millions of people perceive
Quote:
> our sport.  Right now, if non-rider goes into a bikeshop and sees a "Kris

Holm" brand unicycle on
Quote:
> display, they will perceive it differently and take it more seriously than

they might otherwise
Quote:
> have.   It's marketing, pure and simple, but if I can use this to expand

people's understanding of
Quote:
> our sport, and grow the sport in the process, then I think that it's worth
it.

> Cheers,

> Kris Holm.

> Cheers,

> Kris.


> > DISCLAIMER: This is not an accusation, it is merely a question! Please
> > excuse any hint of ***ness in this post. If it exists, that was
> > NOT how it was meant

> > With all of this talk of the New Kris Holm
> > Unicycle, I began to think of almost celebrity endor***ts. I doubt
> > every "Michael Jordan" shoe has been used by the big guy himself, and
> > hockey players dont really use the sticks that carry their name in
> > sporting good stores. Does Kris really use the same Muni that is
> > available at Unicycle.com? Hey, how about it Kris? Is this just a muni
> > you think would be a good ride, or are you currently riding this very
> > thing?
> > -David Kaplan

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Post by Jeff Lutku » Sat, 09 Feb 2002 15:19:31

Quote:
> Hey Kris,  Well said...

> I agree that most of the "Kris Holm" names gives you extra influence
> for marketing and obviously for products as well, and that is great.
> I'm not really sure why any Unicyclists are concerned with this anyway.

I think that's a very good point.  Unicyclists have gone a direction other
than the mainstream.  They have discovered which unicycles are good, and
which are not.  They will not buy a product just for a cool name.  
Experienced unicyclists can tell what makes a quality unicycle.  
Unicyclists also know that different unicycles have different purposes
(this is why we all have 4 or more unicyles in our rooms).

So I really thing that the a Kris Holm branded unicycle or part is not
marketing at all.  (At least not to the people who would be most likely to
buy it.)  But, as Kris pointed out, it helps market the idea to those who
have to front the cash to make the product in the first place.

Of course, Kris is the man, so owning a unicycle designed by him is just
really cool.

My only question is, why haven't we seen the John Foss model unicycles, and
when will the John Drummond series come out? :-)

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Post by harpe » Sat, 09 Feb 2002 15:36:47

They're due out after the Jeff Lutkus student and professional
models.

  > My only question is, why haven't we seen the John Foss model unicycles,
  > and when will the John Drummond series come out? :-)

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Post by darrel » Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:17:35

Yeah! I think I have seen Jeff's custom uni... The one made from bike
forks. Totally cool student model! Get those industrial design
students at RIT to draw up the plans!

I'm waiting for Erik E's
graduate-student model to roll off the assembly line. It's the 26" WPI
StairMaster!! :D

-Darrell

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