Koxx signature vs Dm ringmaster advanced?!

Koxx signature vs Dm ringmaster advanced?!

Post by Toma » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:10:37


hi all!

I'm looking around for building a new freestyle uni. (yup it's Xmas and
new year)

My current uni is a 'custom' dm ringmaster advanced, but i've noticed
that koxx came out with a 'new aluminium version' of this dm frame, the
koxx signature... wich makes me very interested because it will make
the frame a lot lighter i think...

http://users.telenet.be/fube/dmframe.jpghttp://users.telenet.be/fube/...
But what about the durability, is the frame strong enough because of
the alu material?

Some experience, reviews of this frame would be helpfull ;-)

-ps: i want to make a very light freestyle uni.
Koxx signature frame,
alu 102mm cranks,
carbon seat,
alu seat tube,
48 spoke wheelset (i'm still not sure wich setup, but 48 spokes is a
must for me)
primo to the wall tire,
Mks pedals,
...
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Post by Toma » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:21:39

dm (chromed steel):
[image: http://users.telenet.be/fube/dmframe.jpg]
koxx (alu):
[image: http://users.telenet.be/fube/koxxframe.jpg]

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Post by Dann » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:35:28

I have absolutely no knowledge of freestyle unis. I appologize that I am
not adding anything interesting etc etc.

Why do you want 48 spokes if you want to conserve weight?
Another option is to get a triton sponge frame. Talk to Dmitry about
making a long neck. Triton are wizards when it comes to working with
titanium.

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Post by mornis » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:28:52

I'm sorry that I'm not exactly posting reliable information, but I've
heard that the signature (and black domina) frames are both pretty
weak. I've seen a couple broken dominas, and because the signature
frames are the same design I'd assume that they would have the same
flaws.

I'm also curious to hear why you like 48 spokes.

another option would be to get one of the custom made titanium
freestyle frames from this company whose name I forgot. I know Ntappin
had been going to get one. someone please insert the name here ;)
[___________]

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Post by jimbojone » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:43:04

Quote:

> I'm sorry that I'm not exactly posting reliable information, but I've
> heard that the signature (and black domina) frames are both pretty
> weak. I've seen a couple broken dominas, and because the signature
> frames are the same design I'd assume that they would have the same
> flaws.

> I'm also curious to hear why you like 48 spokes.

> another option would be to get one of the custom made titanium
> freestyle frames from this company whose name I forgot. I know Ntappin
> had been going to get one. someone please insert the name here ;)
> [___________]

> -Miles

do you mean the triton sponge frame? Because although it is the coolest
frame ever it would suck for advanced freestyle, because it doesn't
have a flat crown or at least the forky crowns (think nimbus2 for koxx
free tricks). As for the signature frame I'm not really sure about how
good it is, I imagine it would be good but i've never ridden it so i
don't know.

sorry i couldn't be of any more help, maybe try to find someone sortof
close to you with one that yu could try.

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Post by UniDudeD » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:33:04

Quote:

> I'm sorry that I'm not exactly posting reliable information, but I've
> heard that the signature (and black domina) frames are both pretty
> weak. I've seen a couple broken dominas, and because the signature
> frames are the same design I'd assume that they would have the same
> flaws.

> I'm also curious to hear why you like 48 spokes.

> another option would be to get one of the custom made titanium
> freestyle frames from this company whose name I forgot. I know Ntappin
> had been going to get one. someone please insert the name here ;)
> [Patrick]

> -Miles

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Post by mornis » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:43:46

Quote:

> do you mean the triton sponge frame? Because although it is the coolest
> frame ever it would suck for advanced freestyle, because it doesn't
> have a flat crown or at least the forky crowns (think nimbus2 for koxx
> free tricks). As for the signature frame I'm not really sure about how
> good it is, I imagine it would be good but i've never ridden it so i
> don't know.

> sorry i couldn't be of any more help, maybe try to find someone sortof
> close to you with one that yu could try.

No, I don't, I mean this frame which I just found again.

http://tinyurl.com/35gdrt

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Post by jimbojone » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:59:37

oh wow never mind i just thought triton cause its a ti frame. But wow
that titanium frame you posted looks sick only problem i can see is the
lollipops but that dosen't even really matter since alot of freestyle
frames aare lollipops and this ones ti so even better:p

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Post by mornis » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:01:49

Quote:

> oh wow never mind i just thought triton cause its a ti frame. But wow
> that titanium frame you posted looks sick only problem i can see is the
> lollipops but that dosen't even really matter since alot of freestyle
> frames aare lollipops and this ones ti so even better:p

lollipop bearing holders are actually pretty great if they are made
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Post by jimbojone » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:11:49

that makes sense i guess just from my experience with them and there
general reputation i sort of grew to stay as far away from them as
possible. Also i suppose they would free up some space on the cranks
although thats not so important on a freestyle.

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Post by Dann » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:34:18

Triton makes custom frames. If you gave dmitry an idea, he will make it
for you, with life-time warranty. He has made loads of stuff, so give
him an email.

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Post by skilewis7 » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:58:30

I believe Miyata also makes ti frames, w/ lollypop bearings.  Freestyle
and trials.  The trials looks like sponges.

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Post by Toma » Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:41:46

Quote:

> I have absolutely no knowledge of freestyle unis. I appologize that I am
> not adding anything interesting etc etc.

> WHY DO YOU WANT 48 SPOKES IF YOU WANT TO CONSERVE WEIGHT?
> Another option is to get a triton sponge frame. Talk to Dmitry about
> making a long neck. Triton are wizards when it comes to working with
> titanium.

> Just a thought:) .

The reason for why i want 48 spokes is that, in these years i'm riding
freestyle, i haven't got good experience with 36spoke wheels. (i mean
spokes that were ripped out more easily, the rim was bending faster,
the spokes were making a lot of noise time after time, even after my
wheel was fixed... this was not only on my unis, but also on my
friends')
It's also due to my riding style : i'm practicing a lot of kickup mount
variations an do a lot of 1m2 tricks where the wheel has to resist to a
lot of power.

In my calculation, i would save already up to 2 kg (with a 36spoke
wheelset) in comparison to my dm. Wich is quite good i think. So that
allows me choosing a more heavier, but also a more rigid 48 spoke
wheel.

Also a big plus is that the koxx one frame has a 'bearing distance' of
100mm, which is a bit more than the dm (90mm) and alows for building a
more rigid wheel.

I'm not really afraid of the weldments, but more about bending the long
'neck'.

Anyway, I'll also have a look at these miyata frames, and maybe letting
build a custom one. (but i think that's to much money for me)

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Post by mornis » Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:16:16

Quote:

> The reason for why i want 48 spokes is that, in these years i'm riding
> freestyle, i haven't got good experience with 36spoke wheels. (i mean
> spokes that were ripped out more easily, the rim was bending faster,
> the spokes were making a lot of noise time after time, even after my
> wheel was fixed... this was not only on my unis, but also on my
> friends')
> It's also due to my riding style : i'm practicing a lot of kickup mount
> variations an do a lot of 1m2 tricks where the wheel has to resist to a
> lot of power.

> In my calculation, i would save already up to 2 kg (with a 36spoke
> wheelset) in comparison to my dm. Wich is quite good i think. So that
> allows me choosing a more heavier, but also a more rigid 48 spoke
> wheel.

> Also a big plus is that the koxx one frame has a 'bearing distance' of
> 100mm, which is a bit more than the dm (90mm) and alows for building a
> more rigid wheel.

> I'm not really afraid of the weldments, but more about bending the long
> 'neck'.

> Anyway, I'll also have a look at these miyata frames, and maybe letting
> build a custom one. (but i think that's to much money for me)

just to warn you, if the signature frame broke, it would snap, not bend
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Post by ntappi » Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:43:33

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> just to warn you, if the signature frame broke, it would snap, not bend
> because it's aluminum.

I think you are getting too worried about frame snapping.

Yes frames HAVE broken, often from people being overly abusive to them.
Another thing is that pretty much all frames HAVE broken at some point,
and pretty much the only frame that has a pattern of breaking is the DX
frame, which is now fixed.

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