DM Ringmaster

DM Ringmaster

Post by fontimina » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 00:18:16


What is so good about the DM Ringmaster that it is so expensive?

235 quid for a 24" unicycle.

Is it worth the money?

Anyone actually got one of these?

Thanks

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Post by Mikeful » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 01:36:07

DM Unicycles are hand made by D M Engineering.  Run by Dave Marriott who
reads and sometimes posts in this forum.

The Ringmaster is made of "aircraft grade steel".  The whole thing is
very strong and well made.  I think D M have carried out quite a lot of
scientific research into aspects of design, and have done clever stuff
like measuring the force applied to the pedals at each part of the pedal
stroke.

That said, I think that DM's products might be on the heavy side
compared to many current models.  What you get is quality hand made
engineering and a personalised design.

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Post by Mikeful » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 01:39:09

Here's a link to the site.  Note there is a cheaper version with cheaper
tubing.

http://www.unicycle.co.uk/dm_ringmaster.htm

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Post by onewheeldav » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 01:59:06

I think that DM tend to cater more for the juggler/entertainer end of
things, amongst whom their unicycles have a reputation for quality and
long lasting toughness.

Professional entertainers like their giraffes cos they're tough, and for
20/24" unicycles for gigs, the Ringmaster is considered 'unbreakable'.

Certainly a few years back, before the rise of muni etc, many unicycles
by other companies could be a bit shoddy, with lollipop bearings and
truly awful seats; so DM stuff stood out.

Now things are different with lots of budget, but well thought out
unicycles from unicylist.com, Nimbus etc.

I think DMs could be an option using in workshops or for entertainers;
but for other uses (muni, distance, trials etc) I'd get something
else.

I think there's now plenty of models out there that are just as long
lasting as the Ringmaster, but cheaper, and with more options (seats,
frames that can take the bigger tyres etc).

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Post by one wheeled stallio » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 02:49:58

Isn't it Dave Mariner? From my visits to various juggling/circus
skill/random cool stuff shops like Oddballs I gather that DM stuff is
performance level stuff. The Giraffes look beefy and very nice...

Doesn't Kris Holm use a DM ATU in Universe? If so I think that is
testament to the quality of DM products.

Out of curiosity, is the term "quid" used much in Africa?

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Post by tom_edmond » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:12:27

i have the standard ringmaster (20") its lovely or it was lovely, the
wheel is long since dead as the uni got used and abused on the street,
the frame has some battle scratches but the wheel (also handbuilt i
believe did verywell for what it got put through) they are nice unis and
are built to last (providing your notriding it like an idiot on terrain
that a freestyle uni shouldnt really see

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Post by Mikeful » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:17:57

Quote:

> *Isn't it Dave Mariner?  *

Ooops!  yes.  My mistake.  Dave Mariner.   I know a Dave Marriott and
the typing fingers obviously got as far as "Dave Mar" and then jumped to
a conclusion of their own!  :o

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Post by john_child » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:38:43

There are different models of the Ringmaster brand.  There's the
Ringmaster (the standard or beginner model), the Ringmaster Advanced,
and the Ringmaster Expert.  The one you're looking at for 235 quid is
the 24" Ringmaster Advanced.

Is it worth it?  Well, that depends on what you're looking for in a
unicycle.  I've got a 20" Ringmaster Advanced for my freestyle unicycle.
I think it's an absolutely fantastic unicycle.  It was expensive, but
not too much more than other custom made unicycles.  It's a very well
built frame and it comes chromed.

I got mine through unicycle.com in the USA.  I got it a while ago when
the exchange rate was better.  It's currently going for $499 USD.  I
didn't pay that much for mine.

The frame is very sturdy.  There is no flex or bending no matter what
you do.  It has machined bearing holders which hold the bearings nicely.
Machined bearing holders allow the bearings to spin more freely than
the stamped metal bearing holders on lesser unicycles.  I also like the
chrome which is something you'll pay extra for if you have a unicycle
frame custom made.

The crown is knurled which gives it good grip for putting your foot on
the crown.  The crown is also very close to the tire which keeps it out
of the way when doing things like wheel walking.  However, the crown is
probably a bit too close for standup skills on the crown.  I don't do
any standup skills so that has not been an issue for me.  For someone
doing standup skills the Ringmaster Expert would be a better choice.

I didn't care for the DM saddle that came with it.  The saddle was heavy
which made the unicycle feel strange.  I also didn't like the metal
loops for the handle and bumper.  I replaced the DM saddle with a Miyata
saddle.

I really like my 20" Ringmaster Advanced and feel that it was worth the
cost.  If I ever get to doing standup skills on the crown I may have to
consider getting the Ringmaster Expert.  But unless you're looking for
something special in a unicycle it's hard to justify the cost.  A
freestyle unicycle based on the 'Semcycle Long Neck frame'
(http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=696) would be far more
economical and plenty good enough for most people.

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Post by fontimina » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:01:16

Quote:

> *Isn't it Dave Mariner? From my visits to various juggling/circus
> skill/random cool stuff shops like Oddballs I gather that DM stuff is
> performance level stuff. The Giraffes look beefy and very nice...

> Doesn't Kris Holm use a DM ATU in Universe? If so I think that is
> testament to the quality of DM products.

> Out of curiosity, is the term "quid" used much in Africa? *

Quid - <grins> No - just my use of words. Pound.

Thanks for the comments of the DM Advanced.

I want a unicycle that will last for years - They now offer a KH saddle
with the DM unicycles.

Have seen that you have to wait too! 3 weeks, for it to be actually
built - Quite remarkable.

The DM ATU that is 450 quid? Rather expensive. They have them on
Unicycle.uk.com

Angola, soon to be London.

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Post by thinunikin » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:48:33

Yeah D.M trials would be really nice to see,but i am very happy spend
170 on a 24" splined muni thats gonna last just as long. The fact is
for me DM's are just to much money for there worth,I know they are well
built ect ect but nimbus frame's are good enough for pretty much every
rider at all levels and styles if you break it it's what 30 not that
much really.
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Post by tom_edmond » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 18:37:28

-"Have seen that you have to wait too! 3 weeks, for it to be actually
built - Quite remarkable."-

i got my standard ringmaster through 'butterfingers'
(http://www.butterfingers.co.uk), the juggling stockists and i dont
beleive i had to wait for that, i think they stock the advanced, the
girraffes and the standard ringmasters

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Post by Mikeful » Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:47:31

Quote:

> *
> Quid - <grins> No - just my use of words. Pound.
> *

Quid, noun, (plural the same), British slang: one Pound Sterling.  "Not
the full quid": Australian slang for mentally deficient.   "Quids in":
slang: in a position of profit.

Probably from "quid" meaning "the nature of the thing", from latin
"quid" meaning "what, something".

Also, Quid, noun, a lump of tobacco for chewing.  Dialect variant of
"cud".

(Concise Oxford Dictionary)

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Post by john_child » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 07:32:41

Quote:

> *I want a unicycle that will last for years - *

You can get that with a more standard unicycle with upgraded parts and
spend less than the cost of a Ringmaster Advanced.

Start with a frame like the 'Yuni'
(http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=592), 'Semcycle Long
Neck' (http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=696), or
'Semcycle XLW (the W is for Wide)'
(http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=476).

Then add a 'Unicycle.com Chromoly Hub'
(http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=738) a good double
walled alloy rim and a professional wheel build.

Get a good double bolt or triple bolt BMX style seatpost clamp.

The wheel is the most important part because it's the wheel that makes
the unicycle.  A cheap or poorly built wheel will cause you problems and
will affect the performance and reliability of the unicycle.

The seatpost clamp is also very important.  Nothing is more annoying
than having the seatpost slip or twist when the unicycle takes a hard
fall.  A good BMX style seatpost clamp will stop that nonsense.

Build up a standard unicycle with good components and a good wheel build
and you've got a very nice unicycle that will last.

Now this type of unicycle is for freestyle and cruising.  If you start
doing trials or aggressive riding on it, it's going to start breaking.
Stick to the type of riding that the unicycle is designed for and it
will last a long time.  If you want to do trials or aggressive riding
then get a trials unicycle with a splined hub and other beefed up
components.

If you're really looking for something special and with just that little
extra bit of strength and quality, then go for the Ringmaster Advanced.
But for most purposes a standard unicycle with upgraded components will
be durable and reliable and all the unicycle you'll need.

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Post by joemarshal » Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:23:10

I've got a ringmaster advanced.

DM frames are worth getting if you know exactly what you want, what seat
height etc. because you can get a custom build. Although that's only
really useful for really serious freestyle riders.

The DM seat is worth avoiding, it's only okay as far as comfort goes,
weighs a ton and breaks really easily. I gave mine away to someone for
their giraffe.

The wheelbuilding is a little bit iffy too, I had to retension mine
pretty soon after buying.

The giraffes are good because they have a twin chain which makes them
nicer to ride and just don't break ever, which isn't true of some
cheaper giraffes.

I'm not sure I'd buy a DM ATU though, they seem to be pretty old
technology nowadays and the new cheaper DM unicycles are just playing
catch up with unicycle.com, they're not custom frames or anything
special for the extra money.

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